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Old 02-15-2006, 12:33 AM   #1  
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HD DVD and Blu-ray delayed again, as AACS is pushed back

Remember all of the positioning about which next-generation optical format would hit the market first? Forget about it. It now appears that both formats will hit the market at the same time, because delays in the security specification that they both share have left everyone—device manufacturers, movie studios, and the leaders of the respective formats—in a holding pattern. The final specification of the Advanced Access Content System (AACS) has been delayed again, meaning that the final specifications needed to produce HD DVD and Blu-ray products still sits off in the undetermined future.

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Old 02-15-2006, 01:34 AM   #2  
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Ok that cinches it. I think they should just forget the whole thing. I mean how many times can this be pushed back? I don't think it will ever come out. It will be keep pushed back and then the whole thing will be scraped for good.
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Old 02-15-2006, 12:30 PM   #3  
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It all comes down to copy protection.Hollywood will never approve a format that's gonna interfere with it's own money.When a copy device is approved that means change is on the horizon.When dvd burners hit the market people took that as dvds could be copied like tapes.The more and more of those sold,hollyweird was working on a new format.HD-dvd is similar to the current dvds.So that's where the Blu-Ray concept spawned.It's an overall better format.For some reason or another some of us beleived one format wasn't backwards compatible and was against the other.Doesn't matter which one wins the dvds will be more than what were use to paying $14.99-19.99.
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Old 02-15-2006, 05:39 PM   #4  
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The copy protection on next gen discs will get hacked eventually, no matter what they do. This is so stupid....
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So true, these guys don't get it though.
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Old 02-15-2006, 10:06 PM   #6  
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Now loks like Blu0ray is getting the blame...yeah it's a waste of time..no matter what they do, eventually it will get hacked then they have to change the code then again then gain....there's no end to it


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Old 02-16-2006, 12:07 AM   #7  
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They just don't get it... locking up entertainment goes against what the original artists had in mind... which is the widest possible exposure. They have to think out of the box... new markets will be created.

Did they yelp 'protect us' when 2 channel stereo became 5.1 DS? The small way HD is being introduced to the market.. it'll barely be noticed.. outside of the price tag.

I collect movies now (mostly $ down the tubes), never did like tape (life span etc) and find I rarely watch them... sorta like the guy who has a library of books.. never re-reads them, but makes reference to them on occasion. I spend a wack of money... even if I already saw the movie. Guess hollywood wants to be as greedy as the music business, and seems convinced people will play the same movie over and over.
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Old 02-16-2006, 01:00 PM   #8  
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The delays really do not matter since HD material in 1080p is limited or non existant.

Transfering 35mm film at 24fps to video at 1080p has its limits. I am more interested in new digital cameras like those used on the SuperBowl that are capable of 180fps. Film is on its last leg and has no more resolution to offer. Just watch an "HD" film from satellite\cable to know what I am talking about. It looks no better than my DVD player. HD Video is where it is at (i.e. Jay Leno).

To really gain any real advantage of these new technologies, our entire film industry is going to have to make the very painful and expensive change to HD digital video cameras. This is not going to happen any time soon. Not only does the hardware have to change but the way movies are made will have to change due to new technical issues and lenses needed.

Plus, I am not going to buy into either technology until I can order whatever I want in this HD format from NetFlix or BlockBusters. I am no fool. I am not going to spend thousands of dollars on hard copies of movies I can rent any time I want to see them. HD technology can quickly change and both of these formats may be the loosers if a compromise or a solution is not provided quickly.
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I'm not sure the film industry is going to go quite that way. 24Fps has a "look" to it (along with motion blur from the open shutter) that filmmakers and film viewers seem to like. Whether film is "dreamy" or "surreal" or "impressionistic", or some other subjective term, the higher frame rate of video creates a sense of "immediacy" that may be great for some material (sports programs, live entertainment and news reports for example), but can be dramatically harmful to others because it feels too "real". Sort of like having a play performed live in your living room--you become acutely aware that you are watching a performance and not something real happening somewhere else.

People often react negatively to higher film frame rates because they associate the look with video (i.e. TV), which they view as an inferior medium (for lots of reasons unrelated to image quality).

The manufacturers of HD video cameras for film were suprised at how much work they needed to put into making the output look more "film-like" to satisfy filmmakers.
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I'm not sure the film industry is going to go quite that way. 24Fps has a "look" to it (along with motion blur from the open shutter) that filmmakers and film viewers seem to like. Whether film is "dreamy" or "surreal" or "impressionistic", or some other subjective term, the higher frame rate of video creates a sense of "immediacy" that may be great for some material (sports programs, live entertainment and news reports for example), but can be dramatically harmful to others because it feels too "real". Sort of like having a play performed live in your living room--you become acutely aware that you are watching a performance and not something real happening somewhere else.

People often react negatively to higher film frame rates because they associate the look with video (i.e. TV), which they view as an inferior medium (for lots of reasons unrelated to image quality).

The manufacturers of HD video cameras for film were suprised at how much work they needed to put into making the output look more "film-like" to satisfy filmmakers.
Here is a link that discusses the same issues I alluded to and you expounded upon. It will be a long and bumpy road, I am afraid.

http://www.tvtechnology.com/features...yHoffner.shtml

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Interesting, but you guys are way off topic.
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The very greed that is driving this industry will also be it's demise. The whole industry is whining about protecting their assets, while they ignore us, their customers and what we want.

I really don't care about piracy, unless you put locks on all hardware, it's rather pointless. I actually pay for all my media, that's what punishment and the legal system is for. Besides, this whole thing hinges on the current physical disk distribution system, which, thanks to the internet and broadcasted HD content, is due for a reality check. Why bother with a disk, when I point-click, or push a button and get the same content?

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Old 02-17-2006, 03:34 PM   #13  
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As long as it's no more than a month or two at most, it should be okay. But Peferling has some good points. Contrary to Michael Douglas as Gordon Gecko in Wall Street, greed is not good.
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