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Old 01-22-2006, 09:24 PM   #1  
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Default HD DVD and Blu-ray content to be degraded for analog displays

To prevent piracy & to keep that from happening, any video signal that doesn't travel over a protected input (such as HDMI) will be degraded.

Bad news for consumers that had bought their HDTV-ready sets earlier which have no digital output.

Full article: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060122-6027.html
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Old 01-23-2006, 12:23 PM   #2  
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I'm not going to be pirating anything off those discs, but would simply like to be able to watch a Blu-Ray DVD on my PC once BD-ROM drives become available. But if this article is true, those dicks are going to prevent us from being able to watch one of those DVDs with the most honest of intentions!

So, anyone know if there is or soon will be any videocards with an HDMI output? NVidia and ATi had better start thinking about that if not.
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Old 01-23-2006, 07:27 PM   #3  
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It will require more than a video card with an HDMI output... it will require Windows Vista, a 'secure' OS with built in support for DRM.
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Old 01-24-2006, 10:01 PM   #4  
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Imagine all those people who bought displays with DVI connections without HDCP.
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Old 01-25-2006, 04:52 AM   #5  
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Imagine all those people who bought displays with DVI connections without HDCP.
Yes poor people fallen victims..

If the news is really true or materialize...gosh imagine those consumers esp early HDTV adopters that bought their tv w/out any HDMI will get so frustrated & have to folk out $$$ again to get a substitute
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Old 01-25-2006, 05:06 AM   #6  
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yes i was a early adopter and very pissed my tv is only 3 years old. i am already saving for a new tv i hope to get a led dlp in june.i will be getting a 30inch hdtv for bedroom next in march.
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Old 01-25-2006, 08:00 AM   #7  
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Default We need a list of "pass" & "fail" televisions

I have a Toshiba 57H83 television with a DVI / HDMI connection (am not sure which). Am not really sure whether I will be able to get a full HD signal with this set.

It would be helpful to have a list of models, by brand, that are NOT going to be able to get the full HD picture because of the connection or installed chipset. Perhaps a "sticky note" in the HD section.

Unlike GIZMO, I have no intention of replacing this set just to get HD or BD DVD. Am happy with the HD picture I get from cable AND the picture I get from standard DVDs. If my set is one that "fails", I will continue to follow the "war" from the sidelines, but will continue to buy standard def DVDs.

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Old 01-25-2006, 01:33 PM   #8  
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Unlike GIZMO, I have no intention of replacing this set just to get HD or BD DVD. Am happy with the HD picture I get from cable AND the picture I get from standard DVDs. If my set is one that "fails", I will continue to follow the "war" from the sidelines, but will continue to buy standard def DVDs.
You have the right idea. I got caught with a Betamax. It is a good idea to wait and see what is going to happen. Being one generation behind means that you dont get stuck with new but unsupported technology.
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Old 01-25-2006, 07:16 PM   #9  
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Default DVI converter

Speaking of DVI, there's a DVI to HDMI converter available but could anyone clarify if this has the high-banwidth digital content protection (HDCP)? To my knowledge, HDCP is applicable for HDMI only.

Does this this mean to say for those who got their HDTV with only digital DVI output will be caught in the same situation, i.e. video signal will be degraded? Geez...more badnews
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Old 01-25-2006, 09:40 PM   #10  
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Default The chipset used is also an issue

In another forum they were saying that even some of the early HDMI connections would be downgraded because the installed chip was an earlier version that will not be supported. In other words, having an HDMI connection may not be enough, depending upon the chipset installed in the television.

Imagine buying your new HD / BD-DVD player and learning (after you put in your movie) that the picture was going to be downgraded. That is why I was suggesting a "pass" and "fail" list of models. I am not going to put $500 or so into a HD/BD-DVD player if I am not 100% sure it is going to give me a HD picture.

If any of the above is true, I would doubt that a DVI / HDMI converter will allow for a HD picture.
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I think this link from a reputable source will help clarify the issue.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volum...s-11-2004.html

Please not that as long as a component is HDCP compliant, it will pass digital content with this protocol. Check your manual or visit the website of your mfg if you do not know and want to verify your DVI or HDMI device.

Hope this helps!
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Speaking of DVI, there's a DVI to HDMI converter available but could anyone clarify if this has the high-banwidth digital content protection (HDCP)? To my knowledge, HDCP is applicable for HDMI only.

Does this this mean to say for those who got their HDTV with only digital DVI output will be caught in the same situation, i.e. video signal will be degraded? Geez...more badnews
HDTV's with a DVI-D input are a compliant HDCP device. However, many, such as mine, were built with HDCP version 1.0. I am still unable to get a handshake with my SA8000HD DVR which has version 1.1. Scientific Atlanta is still working on that.

HDCP version 1.1, released in June 2003, was designed to correct errors in version 1.0. But many manufacturers were phasing out DVI because they planned to change to HDMI and didn't bother to update the HDCP version. So if you have a Toshiba, Samsung, LG, Hitachi (2 more makes involved but *Sony is a 50/50 case) I would make sure that I can return the HD DVD if it doesn't work in HD.

*Sony: Works for the DVR SA8000HD but not for the SA3250HD STB.
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Old 01-26-2006, 06:55 AM   #13  
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HDTV connectivity is indeed soooo.... complicated! I never realize having an old version of HDCP could face problem...all the while I thought having a digital connection with HDCP would guarantee our investment..gosh I guess lots of people still unaware of this issue

Tks westcott for the great link & mfabien for his concise explanation (sorry to hear rgd your HDTV predicament)
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Old 01-26-2006, 07:11 PM   #14  
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Default High-def ‘down-converting’ forced

Another recent article on the "down-convert" issue

"The players will be required to recognize and respond to a digital flag, called an Image Constraint Token, inserted into the movie data"

"Many first-generation HDTV sets are equipped only with analog inputs, because at the time they were manufactured, there was no agreed-on industry standard for copy-protected digital connections between devices."

Full article: http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6300812.html
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Old 01-26-2006, 09:12 PM   #15  
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Default I am no longer excited about HD / BD-DVD

This entire mess has pretty well soured me on high def DVD. I wasn't planning on being one of the first, but it appears that I will not be getting a HD player until my current DVI Toshiba 57H83 is replaced, hopefully a long time from now.

What a mess! What a shame! Some of the people in another forum were trying to make the arguement that even the down-converted picture was better than DVD and that most viewers wouldn't be able to see the difference between the full HD picture and the downscaled one.

If that is the case, why downscale the picture? I don't believe that - it sounds like they are trying to convince themselves.

Anyway, when the high def DVDs AND a player are available at the local Blockbuster, I will rent both and try them out. If I can get a full HD picture than I will purchase the winning format when the prices come down. If I cannot get a full HD picture I will shrug my shoulders and be a happy little camper with my existing DVD player.
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