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Old 11-27-2010, 06:29 PM   #16  
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It could actually get better, Apple doesn't make any crap everything they make is among the best on the market and generally a ground breaking and innovative technological first.
I'm not so sure about that. I'll give them that for the iPod and that's about it (and if it wasn't for the iPod I would argue that Apple wouldn't be anywhere near the company they are today). The iPhone is most definitely not a technological first it's just the best designed piece of technology in that area (I also find that arguable). I think groundbreaking and technological first are essentially the same thing so I would argue a lot of their products can't really be either of those. I also believe that none of their products are hardly worth the price tag given, if Steve Jobs wasn't the marketing genius he was he never would've gotten away with the prices of his products.

And also I didn't mean to imply that their products are crap, I was just making a point that if Apple were to head up the gaming department of Sony things would probably suffer. Although in all reality I doubt that's how it would work out because the people already in charge of Sony gaming would probably stay in charge and almost nothing would change.

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Old 11-29-2010, 12:38 PM   #17  
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I'm not so sure about that. I'll give them that for the iPod and that's about it (and if it wasn't for the iPod I would argue that Apple wouldn't be anywhere near the company they are today). The iPhone is most definitely not a technological first it's just the best designed piece of technology in that area (I also find that arguable).
I'll agree with you on most of those points. But the iPhone was definitely a tech first in one thing. Touch screen implemented in a way that actually worked.

The rest of it was simply taking things that already existed and "Apple-izing" them. A unified app store that was actually easy to use (I know BlackBerry had apps LONG before the iPhone was even around, but it was far from unified IMO). An easy way to get ALL of your content on/off your phone (music, movies, photos). Love it or hate it, iTunes makes it simple to move content.

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I think groundbreaking and technological first are essentially the same thing so I would argue a lot of their products can't really be either of those. I also believe that none of their products are hardly worth the price tag given, if Steve Jobs wasn't the marketing genius he was he never would've gotten away with the prices of his products.
I don't think it's even so much about Steve Jobs and Apple's marketing. Many of the people who are buying Apple's products have been Mac fans for years. The newer products are a natural extension to us. The newer people who are coming into the fold are seeing how easy everything is on their iPod/iTunes/iPhone, and are branching out into the other product lines. Apple rarely advertises their Mac line anymore. The recently updated Air is the exception. But they're still posting ever increasing numbers of sales of Mac hardware, and that has seemingly little to do with marketing based on their tactics.
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I would say they are still geniuses when it comes to making products that are just plain appealing. I'm not a huge Apple fan as you may have guessed but I'm not gonna lie, their products are damn appealing to me and pretty cool. The thing that stops me from buying them is the price. I cannot justify paying that much for products when it seems to me that the main benefit over the competitors is ease of use.
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I would say they are still geniuses when it comes to making products that are just plain appealing. I'm not a huge Apple fan as you may have guessed but I'm not gonna lie, their products are damn appealing to me and pretty cool. The thing that stops me from buying them is the price. I cannot justify paying that much for products when it seems to me that the main benefit over the competitors is ease of use.
I disagree with the contention that Apple products are overpriced, they are actually many times less expensive then competition if you add the standard features they come equipped with and on the their computers the standard programs and hardware the are sold with.

An example was when I researched my new computer, after looking at the iMac with 27 inch screen, four GB Ram and a 1 TB hard drive for $1699, a Dell all in one with a 20 inch screen and close to the same Ram and hard drive was slightly over $3,000.

And my iMac runs both Mac OS and the Windows XP Pro OS natively, tell me any other computer that does that.
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How do you explain Macbook pros that cost almost a thousand dollars more than PC laptops with just as good if not better parts and larger screens?
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An example was when I researched my new computer, after looking at the iMac with 27 inch screen, four GB Ram and a 1 TB hard drive for $1699, a Dell all in one with a 20 inch screen and close to the same Ram and hard drive was slightly over $3,000.
Ahh, where did you do your reserch? Or when, like 4 years ago? Cause that is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off base. You can get a PC setup like that including a 27'' monitor for around $850.. Not an all in 1 but gezz.
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Ahh, where did you do your reserch? Or when, like 4 years ago? Cause that is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy off base. You can get a PC setup like that including a 27'' monitor for around $850.. Not an all in 1 but gezz.
Yeah I was tempted to question those numbers too but was too lazy to go back it up with links to prove it. Any PC worth 3,000 dollars would probably cost like 7,000 dollars in Apple-world.
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How do you explain Macbook pros that cost almost a thousand dollars more than PC laptops with just as good if not better parts and larger screens?
Just like you can buy a KIA four door for less then a Mercedes four door, does the KIA have better parts also?

If you ask things like that then there is no way to convince you why Apple products are a better value.
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Just like you can buy a KIA four door for less then a Mercedes four door, does the KIA have better parts also?

If you ask things like that then there is no way to convince you why Apple products are a better value.
You might want to explain that to me a little more, I get where you going with that but I fail to see the connection. A Mercedes does have better parts than a KIA, higher quality parts manufactured from companies that produce higher quality products and then all those parts are slapped together by Mercedes. Apples and PCs buy the same internal components from the same companies and then slap it all together and sell, however Apple for some reason chooses to sell it for twice as much. If a KIA had the same engine as a four door Mercedes the same tires, the same turbo charger, the same wheels, the same leather seats, the same sound system etc and it still cost less I think what you're getting at would be a true point to your argument. But I fail to see how it's the same comparison. If KIA's were identical to Mercedes when it came to parts, power and luxury it's rather obvious Mercedes wouldn't be in business.

And also I don't really think whether or not Apple or PC being a better value is a matter of fact. It's a matter of personal opinion. To some people a $2000 Macbook pro is an incredible value for an incredible computer for reasons such as reliability and simplicity. When I do my research I personally don't see the huge jump in reliability and I don't care for the simplicity. So for me there is no logical reason from a financial standpoint for me to spend (x) amount on a computer when I can get a near identical computer for some fraction of that price.

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I don't believe from years of experience that the PCs such as Dell have near the same quality of parts as Apple computers, maybe some of the suppliers in regard to chips are the same companies but Apple specifies certain standards of quality and specs that are not required by the normal PC manufacturer, they are looking at profit margins more than customer loyalty and product durability.

I've owned many PCs, Dells, IBM, Compaq and Toshiba, but Apple is far and away the best built and most dependable and while I don't think Apples are more expensive in most cases, if in a few instances they are it is because of the superior quality in parts, build and the standard level of software and parts they all come with. You don't need to build from scratch when ordering an Apple, you can add additional capabilities, but they all come very well equipped.
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I don't believe from years of experience that the PCs such as Dell have near the same quality of parts as Apple computers, maybe some of the suppliers in regard to chips are the same companies but Apple specifies certain standards of quality and specs that are not required by the normal PC manufacturer, they are looking at profit margins more than customer loyalty and product durability.

I've owned many PCs, Dells, IBM, Compaq and Toshiba, but Apple is far and away the best built and most dependable and while I don't think Apples are more expensive in most cases, if in a few instances they are it is because of the superior quality in parts, build and the standard level of software and parts they all come with. You don't need to build from scratch when ordering an Apple, you can add additional capabilities, but they all come very well equipped.
This post literally blew my mind.

PC vs Mac hardware:
Intel Chipset - check
nVidia/ATI IGP/Fusion/Optimum - check
Samsung/Hynix RAM - check

There is no arguing against this point, an Apple uses I'd argue 90% of the same components as an other PC OEM vendor. And they charge you 90% more too haha.

I don't know how someone can argue that Apple's product don't cost more:

ATI 5770 by Sapphire (tier 1 PC manufacturer ) ~$150 for PC version
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...ED&PageSize=20
ATI 5770 by "Apple" (tier 1 PC manufacturer ) ~$200 for MAC version
EDIT: I was wrong, the Mac versions $250
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC...co=MTg2OTU0NzM

Both have 16x PCIE ver2.1 bus, 1GB RAM, ATI 5770 chipset, and stock reference heatsink - I wouldn't be surprised if Sapphire made the Mac version too.

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Minor point and even then they are slightly different sure one has 1 display port and a HDMI port the other has 2 display ports and 1 dual-link DVI port.

It would seem the Mac needs slightly different requirements and since they are different and specialized sure that particular part might cost a little more but if you have ever opened up a Apple the interior is very well put together and organized, probably better done then needed, most people couldn't care less they won't open it, but Apple has always put too much effort in every facet of design and manufacture.

This is the same old argument PC owners have tried to put forward for years, yet Apple computers are alway rated higher then the PC competition in most cases. higher satisfaction ratings also.
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It's not a minor point, not a minor point at all. You're obviously trying to avoid facing the truth that Apples prices are very inflated compared to the competition and for what good reason? Reliability? I doubt it.

http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Desktops-an...-Study-488979/

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Still you look for reasons to prove your point but don't actually find any, if you look Apple was also up there and I don't buy laptops, Apple laptops are expensive partially because they smaller and lighter many times, in fact Popular Science just reviewed the new MacBook air Laptops and gave them very high praise for quality lightness and function although they did bring up the price they decided they were worth it if you wanted the best and not just a basic computer for surfing the web.

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Apple fan-boys tend always give Apple such high praise for reliability and that they are so much better than PCs in that area. My point was clear which you seemed to have evaded again, Apple is fourth behind three PC companies. They obviously don't have that high reliability that Mac users bring up so much.

I'm also not arguing that Apple doesn't make good products they make excellent products. But they aren't what Apple fan-boys make them out to be.
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