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Old 11-23-2009, 07:11 AM   #16  
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While many channels are free for the viewer they do cost the cable companies (or Sezmi in this case) who wish to show them. There have been times when even the major cable companies have temporarily not aired a main network OTA channel because they were negotiating the price of new contracts.

Sezmi's cable channel lineup is a little sparse now but I think it will expand. They are just now starting and need to make new contracts for ever channel they will carry.

I don't think they have any paid customers as of yet only free pilot trials which they are giving away.
That's not the case with a channel like C-SPAN. C-SPAN is paid for by the cable/satellite industry in general, and costs the cable companies nothing additional to carry. They don't have to negotiate a rate with C-SPAN. Which is why you can access it for free on line (I've watched key votes from C-SPAN on line in the past). This also goes for channels like NASA, which as I understand it, is paid for by the government, and really costs the cable industry nothing to carry.

Which is also why many cable systems carry religious channels, which also cost nothing to carry. And they carry home shopping channels because the channels pay the providers to carry them.

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Old 11-23-2009, 09:44 AM   #17  
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That's not the case with a channel like C-SPAN. C-SPAN is paid for by the cable/satellite industry in general, and costs the cable companies nothing additional to carry. They don't have to negotiate a rate with C-SPAN. Which is why you can access it for free on line (I've watched key votes from C-SPAN on line in the past). This also goes for channels like NASA, which as I understand it, is paid for by the government, and really costs the cable industry nothing to carry.

Which is also why many cable systems carry religious channels, which also cost nothing to carry. And they carry home shopping channels because the channels pay the providers to carry them.
If C-Span is paid for by the cable/satellite channels then it must be costing them in some way and they may not wish to just give it to new competition. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX and many others are free over the air channels yet cable/satellite as well as Sezmi must pay to show them.

Anyway none of the channels you listed are ones I care to watch but only time will tell what additional channels do show up on Sezmi. I can only say thank god they if they don't carry the religious channels! Sezmi is missing some channels I would like, especially the premium movie channels however Sezmi is an interesting upstart that looks to have great possibilities.

Something else they will offer that I did not mention is their On Demand appears will offer both premium movies and some TV as well. I don't know if any free On Demand is included with the service or if it will be only pay On Demand. But the paid On Demand it seems will offer both the normal temporary viewing and also offer movies available to be permanently purchased via download. I haven't seen what the On Demand prices will be.

Their user interface looks very interesting, as well as what looks to be a very nice premium DVR. I think the blending of computers, internet and TV entertainment is the future and hopefully Sezmi may kick off a great new start in the right direction. Will I like Sezmi I am not sure yet, but I will see first hand when my Sezmi equipment arrives this week.

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Old 11-23-2009, 10:23 AM   #18  
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If C-Span is paid for by the cable/satellite channels then it must be costing them in some way and they may not wish to just give it to new competition. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX and many others are free over the air channels yet cable/satellite as well as Sezmi must pay to show them.

Anyway none of the channels you listed are ones I care to watch but only time will tell what additional channels do show up on Sezmi. I can only say thank god they if they don't carry the religious channels! Sezmi is missing some channels I would like, especially the premium movie channels however Sezmi is an interesting upstart that looks to have great possibilities.

Something else they will offer that I did not mention is their On Demand appears will offer both premium movies and some TV as well. I don't know if any free On Demand is included with the service or if it will be only pay On Demand. But the paid On Demand it seems will offer both the normal temporary viewing and also offer movies available to be permanently purchased via download. I haven't seen what the On Demand prices will be.

Their user interface looks very interesting, as well as what looks to be a very nice premium DVR. I think the blending of computers, internet and TV entertainment is the future and hopefully Sezmi may kick off a great new start in the right direction. Will I like Sezmi I am not sure yet, but I will see first hand when my Sezmi equipment arrives this week.
You don't see the irony in thanking God that there are no religious channels? BTW, they do have a religious channel. That's what Daystar is. You're also missing one point on this - it doesn't only matter if YOU like that channel. Those religious channels that you decry are popular... they attract customers... which is what Sezmi needs if they want to turn a profit... which is what they need to do if they want to stay in business.

As for negotiating rates - yes, they have to do that with local affiliates/networks, as well as cable channels. It's not just the national cable channels that require contract negotiations. About the only channels that don't require said contracts are what are considered public service channels - channels like C-SPAN/NASA, as well as the religious channels. As for the local affiliates, Sezmi has one other hurdle that other providers don't. They're not just negotiating to carry the channels... they're also contracting out bandwidth from the local affiliates.

As for not having home shopping channels - again, you're missing the point on that. I don't ever watch them, but I'm glad FiOS carries them. Why? They're a revenue stream for Verizon, which helps keep my costs for their service down.

Finally, this does sound like an interesting concept, but if it took them THIS long to set up contracts in one market (LA) - again, they started this process 18 months ago - think what it will take to get it to go national. Nevermind the fact that this service will never take off in very rural areas, where there are very few OTA channels, and where high speed internet is hard to come by. If I were an OTA only consumer right now, then I would consider it if they came to my neck of the woods - but not for their cable channel offerings. I just happen to think $25 for 23 national cable channels (sorry) is a rip-off. I just don't see how you gain customers from traditional cable without offering some of the most popular cable channels out there (e.g. ESPN and Fox News). But for $5/month, I would be willing to take their locals only package. Yeah, you have to spend a couple hundred bucks up front for the equipment, but that $5/month basically gives you DVR access for your OTA channels... which isn't a bad deal. It wouldn't surprise me if they became a very niche player for providing IP/OTA integration but with no national cable channels eventually. What they currently offer (again, they will expand their line-up over time) doesn't make them the cable killer that their CEO claims that they are.

Edit - One thing you said isn't correct. You said that maybe they (cable/dbs) doesn't want to give C-SPAN to new competition. That's not correct. The channel is free. You can access it on line. It's set up as a public service channel. It's available to any/all TV service providers. Even if the cable companies WANTED to stop Sezmi from carrying the channel they couldn't do that. The funding to keep the channel afloat comes from fees that the cable/dbs companies pay to, I believe, the FCC. It wouldn't surprise me if Sezmi IS paying for the channel but just isn't offering it. Besides, the FCC regulations make it very very hard to have one carrier prevent another from carrying one of their channels. It does happen (via some outdated reg known as the terrestrial loophole), but for the VAST majority of channels out there, it's just not allowed to prevent other carriers from carrying one of your channels.

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Old 11-28-2009, 09:27 PM   #19  
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"The trial lineup doesn’t include any of Disney or Fox’s cable networks, or any regional sports networks or premium movie channels. Company co-founder Phil Wiser said the trial offers just a snapshot of what will be available when the company does its official launch, and that it’s still in talks with content providers"

I have been using Sezmi for a couple days and I have to say I am impressed, very nice.
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