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Old 08-17-2008, 07:54 PM   #1  
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Talking NON-SRT DVD Player from Toshiba coming NEXT WEEK for $149!!!!

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Toshiba Shows Smarter DVD Player
By Mark Fleischmann August 15, 2008

Toshiba showed a DVD player with advanced upconverting capabilities yesterday, following through on an idea mentioned by its CEO five months ago in the wake of HD DVD's demise.

The XDE-E500 DVD player "is not a Blu-ray killer," said the Toshiba executive who ran the demo.

What is it, then? XDE stands for eXtended Definition Enhancement and consists of three circuits. Their names are familiar, because they resemble ordinary TV controls, but that is misleading, because they are more sophisticated than ordinary TV controls.

The "sharp" mode intelligently analyzes the scene and applies edge enhancement only where needed, so you might see more detail in a garment, but not more noise in clouds. The press release describes it as "one step closer to high definition."

"Contrast" takes a similar approach to improving detail in dark scenes. In the example I was shown it worked on foreground objects while leaving backgrounds untouched. The "color" mode pumps blue and green and is intended for outdoor scenes—it was the one I found least convincing.

Do home theater buffs need this product? It's certainly no substitute for the true high-def picture of Blu-ray (or HD DVD, for that matter). But if you've got a small high-def-capable bedroom set, say a 32-incher, and don't want to shell out for a Blu-ray player in every room of the house, this product might be a viable option. The price is $149.99—more than a cheap DVD player, but a lot less than entry-level Blu-ray models at $399—and the product will ship next week.
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Old 08-17-2008, 07:59 PM   #2  
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Ya know you can get a Funai BD player for $149 right now with the purchase of any 1080p TV at Best Buy.

So this XDE player adds EE and changes the colors?

Hope that works out for those who were interested.
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Old 08-17-2008, 08:01 PM   #3  
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From everything I have read, this IS NOT a SRT player with the Spurs engine but rather another up-conversion player.
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But does this actually have the Cell BE in it?

I do not see that info mentioned.
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Old 08-17-2008, 08:17 PM   #5  
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Well, this is the longest commentary on it, and it says it does.

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Called XD-E500, it will incorporate the processor of the PlayStation 3 recently purchased by Sony (what irony!) Will propose this famous upscaling to 1080p and even the possibility of sending a signal 24p (Is it really useful?). The latest technologies are also part with Detail Enhancement, Intellignet Color and Contrast Enhancement. Finally, the XD-Toshiba E500 is DivX certified and will be introduced to 149 €.
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Well, this is the longest commentary on it, and it says it does.

From Cinemotion.biz
I know that ONE article did say that, but it is the only one so far AFAIK. I guess we shall see soon enough whether it does or not since it is coming soon.
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From everything I have read, this IS NOT a SRT player with the Spurs engine but rather another up-conversion player.
Gotcha, another blatantly misleading thread title from the master.
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This unit sounds like a better tweaked up-converter, and that's it. It doesn't sound like the much talked about SRT.
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Gotcha, another blatantly misleading thread title from the master.
I'm curious if he plans on buying one or if he's going to wait.

At $150, it's clear that SRT capable players are going to be priced at least at this price, if not at $200 or more. Which puts it in the "DOA" price range.
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Forget HD DVD: Toshiba focuses on plain old DVD

By PETER SVENSSON – 4 hours ago

NEW YORK (AP) — After losing out in the battle to define the high-definition successor of the DVD, Toshiba Corp. has turned its attention to the next best thing: the DVD.

On Monday, the Japanese electronics company is releasing a new DVD player that it says does more than previous models to improve the look of DVDs on high-definition TVs.

The XD-E500 will sell for a suggested price of $149.99, twice as much as regular "upconverting" players, which also improve the look of a DVD, but it is less than half the price of a Blu-ray player.

The Blu-ray disc, championed by Sony Corp., early this year beat out Toshiba's HD DVD to become the dominant format for high-definition discs. Toshiba has stopped making HD DVD players.

In a demonstration to reporters last week, Toshiba played the same disc in an XDE player and a standard, $70 upscaling model on side-by-side LCD HDTVs. The new player produced a subtle but noticeable sharpening of the image.

Toshiba didn't demonstrate the XDE against a Blu-ray or HD DVD player, and Louis Masses, director of product planning for the audio and video group at Toshiba America Consumer Products, was careful to stress that it's not meant to compete with or replace Blu-ray.

"If you want Blu-ray, go get Blu-ray. This product is meant to improve playback of DVDs," Masses said.

Masses said the XDE technology, for eXtended Detail Enhancement, will be used in other players, and the brand will be promoted extensively in advertising, including on NBC's Olympics site.[

Blu-ray players have six times the image detail of a DVD, and upscaling players, even those using XDE technology, can't overcome that. But they can sharpen edges to overcome the blurriness of a DVD when displayed on a large screen.

Three years after their launch, Blu-ray players are popular with home-theater aficionados but have not caught on in the mainstream, except through Sony's PlayStation 3 game console, which can play Blu-ray discs.

In emphasizing DVDs, Toshiba is playing up to a difficulty for Blu-ray marketers: Most U.S. consumers are happy with DVDs, according to a recent study by ABI Research, and don't believe Blu-ray provides as big of a quality jump as DVDs did over VHS tapes.
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i...PejogD92KF9RG1

So, do we really think that Toshiba will release a real time SRT player by the end of the year or is this it?

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Super XP, I thought you said SRT DVD players coming next week.
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Will be interesting to see what "upgrade" this player offers over the upscaling of such systems as the PS3. I have to say £80 or so is the right sort of price range to get me considering adding one to my setup if it offers a noticible improvement on the playback of my DVD TV shows.
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So, do we really think that Toshiba will release a real time SRT player by the end of the year or is this it?
Hell no. This is it (imo). From your link:
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Masses said the XDE technology, for eXtended Detail Enhancement, will be used in other players, and the brand will be promoted extensively in advertising, including on NBC's Olympics site.[
So, Toshiba is going to release the XDE line and then another new line with SRT? The new line essentially cannibalizing the XDE line, which is going to be "promoted extensively" by Toshiba?

Fat chance. Not gonna happen.

Looks like XDE is it.

Wow, all of that SRT talk, the numerous threads and arguments, all for snake oil. No one saw that coming.

I am pretty sure I predicted something like this would happen. Anytime the usual suspects get behind something my BS alarm goes off.

Here is your savior folks:
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The XD-E500 will sell for a suggested price of $149.99, twice as much as regular "upconverting" players, which also improve the look of a DVD, but it is less than half the price of a Blu-ray player.
...In a demonstration to reporters last week, Toshiba played the same disc in an XDE player and a standard, $70 upscaling model on side-by-side LCD HDTVs. The new player produced a subtle but noticeable sharpening of the image.
All of that hype. Typical.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:28 AM   #14  
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Oh god this is rich!

From the official press release:
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/st...4868869&EDATE=

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This product does not play HD DVD or Blu-Ray discs. It upconverts standard definition (480p) DVD content to HD (720p, 1080i or 1080p) to match the resolution of your HD display. Although near the picture quality, it does not produce or output native HD video content.

To display upconverted 720p, 1080i or 1080p video content, a 720p,1080i or 1080p capable HDTV or HD Monitor (as applicable) with an HDCPcapable HDMI or DVI input is required.

The effect of enhancements may vary depending upon disc content qualityand display device capability/functionality/settings. Depending on the quality of the DVD disc, some video noise may be visible.

Some DVD-R/DVD-RW discs may be incompatible due to laser pick up and
disc design. Some recordable media or recording formats may not be
supported.

Compatibility with other HDMI-CEC products will vary by manufacturer.
Some products may not be compatible at all or may only allow for limited
functions.

Viewing 24 frames per second requires content created in 480p / 24
frames/sec and an HD display capable of accepting a 1080p/24Hz signal.
Lee Stewart - where is SRT at??? The Toshiba CEO PROMISED, right?

So...where is it Lee???

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which is going to be "promoted extensively" by Toshiba?
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