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Old 06-29-2008, 02:40 PM   #181  
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Did you miss the graph from the same site you linked showing the PS3 outpacing the 360 for all of 2008? I think the 360 has already shot it's load in terms of software and big announcements, and the PS3's load has just barely began it's big software line up. Look up Metal Gear Solid 4 and see how many million copies it sold in the past 2 weeks, and also look at what the PS3 has coming compared to the 360.

I'm sure by the time this console cycle is over the PS3 will have outsold the 360. In Asia it's not even close, and in Europe it's about 50/50. With public interest down, and sales graphs showing the sales pace, it's not hard to deduce that MS's will be bringing up the rear when this generation is over. Too much bad word of mouth, and no big name IPs on the slate.

As for the Wii, well, that's another rant. As a gamer I hate it, but I did buy stock in Nintendo when I heard about the marketing model behind it. The new batch of EA sports games coming out for it is so damn mom and grandpa friendly that you can set it up to where you don't even have control of the players! But hey, Nintendo is doing damn good business now. But as a gamer and fan of Nintendo's software in the past, I'm sorry to see that they are having so much success making their new business model something that is entirely geared toward non-gamers. These guys use to be the brand for the hard core gamer, now their shooting for the hard core gamers mom. Good business, but as a fan, it's disappointing.

I don't think comparing the Wii to the 360 and PS3 is an Apples to Apples comparison. People who write about the gaming industry for a living agree. The Wii has it's own demographic, which is mostly geared toward very casual gamers to non-gamers.
No, I didn't miss it. I was just stating the information, I wasn't drawing any conclusions. The conclusion I would draw is the 360 remains highly competitive in the US and, as VGCHARTZ concludes, sales strength will follow hot game introductions.

If you look at their 2008 sales charts of 360 and PS3 in the US, it's basically neck and neck all year with the 360 and PS3 changing relative positions frequently. Hot game releases that are available for both platforms will favor sales of the 360 for the near future due to the larger installed base of 360 versus PS3, hot game releases that are available exclusively for the 360 will favor sales of the 360 and hot game releases that are exclusively for the PS3 will favor sales of the PS3.

In Europe, the sales charts show PS3 significantly ahead of the 360 at the beginning of the year, but the sales trend has been pretty flat for the PS3 (excluding peaks) and the trend for the 360 has been slowly going up, so at this point, the PS3 has less of a sales lead over the 360 now than at the beginning of the year.

In "Other", the sales charts show PS3 significantly ahead of the 360 at the beginning of the year, with a generally upward sales trend (excluding peaks), but the sales trend for the 360 has been going up faster, so the PS3 has less of a sales lead over the 360 now than at the beginning of the year.

The 360 has virtually no presence in Japan at all, so there really isn't any point in comparing them--compared to rest of the world sales, performance of the 360 in Japan is a total anomaly--it's barely on the sales chart.

The Wii is pretty consistently far above either other console in all parts of the world. As you note, it's a different demographic, although anyone interested in money (i.e. just about everybody involved) would suggest that the Wii appeals to a much broader demographic (in other words, it's much more successful selling to many more people) and the fact that Nintendo is at least not losing money on the Wii (and is likely making a profit) means they win the business game.
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Old 06-29-2008, 03:17 PM   #182  
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As a gamer I hate it,
Theres just no way in hell a "gamer" can hate the Wii. Only graphics whores have any reason to be hung up over the Wii. Sure it doesn't have HD, and sure, as a direct result of it being so popular AND cheap to develop for compared with the PS3 and 360 it's got a lot of crap, but it's still got some of the best games that have been released this generation.

It's just a shame so many people are too narrow minded to even give them a try before writing them off.

I'll say one thing though. How can the one console that is able to make money the worst thing that happened to gaming? Surely if the PS3 and 360 business models continue as they are we wouldn't actually have any gaming at all?
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Old 06-30-2008, 06:01 PM   #184  
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Simple, hardware loss alone does not indicate the success.



I'm done, but I wanted to clarify a part of this because the 3DO is one of my favorite systems and I love talking about it.

The company, The 3DO Company, did not actually manufacture any of the console hardware. They created the specifications of the technology and licensed it out to actual manufacturers (Panasonic, Goldstar, etc).

To my knowledge, the manufacturers did not lose money on the hardware. That was actually part of the problem. The original launch prices of the consoles were ridiculous. The Panasonic version launched at a $700 price tag in the U.S.

The 3DO Company didn't directly feel the effects of hardware costs, since they weren't manufacturing any of the units. The general operating costs with the lack of poor sales (with the exception of Japan, where it did ok) is what made the 3DO company struggle. And of course, the competition from Sega and Sony.

That being said, the 3DO company survived for years after the failure of the console, by strictly focusing on software. Ultimately though, the company did fold. Obviously, Panasonic is still around.
Agreed, But that wasn't the point! *-End of Line-*
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