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Format War May Be Over, but High-Definition DVD Still Faces Challenges [ABI Research]

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Old 05-03-2008, 02:36 AM   #46  
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The sad thing is 23 months after the launch of BD, we are STILL saying just wait for this, and wait for that.

BD does not = Beyond HiDef

BD = The format that always leaves you waiting.
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Old 05-03-2008, 03:11 AM   #47  
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I know; I don’t get it. I have nothing against BR per se, but it just kills me that it is the “chosen one” and all I hear and read in print is what it “can do” or “will do”. I have several friends who want to get into the HD playback, but won’t until there is a SAL worthy of the price. They refuse; like me to buy a game console to just play movies on, and I’ve yet to see it produce anything that HD DVD couldn’t.
Personally, I thing BR may have severely wounded HD optic media; or at the least, shot it in the foot.

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Old 05-04-2008, 09:31 AM   #48  
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JJufon - Unfortunately, I have to completely agree with you on this. BD may ultimately prevail in it's intended goal, but the signs of this are looking more bleak, with each month that passes.
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Old 05-04-2008, 06:47 PM   #49  
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This seems to be the point with BR; " just you wait and see".
I already have everything with HD DVD.
why are so many folks so willing to keep waiting, and waiting, and waiting.... "just you wait and see; in two years all will be right with the world".
well, i beg to differ; Apple just stated they will be selling SD DVD movies the same date they release. the studios already see the light' DL is the future; not disks. "just you wait and see" LOL
Kind of odd since if anything DL services have been using the 'wait and see' motto to death.
Download speeds will get faster = only if you upgrade your cable package to the 'extreme' service. Otherwise your minimum 4mbit connection will barely change for years to come.
Quality will get better = AppleTV movies are almost HDcable bad.. how long will it be till they get 1080p quality or lossless audio?

Studios do see the light in downloads. I dont know why HD entusiasts should be happy though since that most likely translates into non-hd(though they call it HD) streaming services like the one found on abc.om
http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing



As for blu rays pace it isnt bad. The people that will only buy the players at $99 wont mind waiting 2 years and the BDA knows that. Samsung only predicts an 80% increase in sales this year which is less than double. And the rest of the BDA dont see any big changes until 2009.

Me personally I already have the best player and like most people, focus more on d/d titles rather than catalog so the release list is pretty good imo.
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My cable company went from 768kbps > 2mbps > 4mbps > 8mbps without increasing the price one bit. It is the same $40.00/month that it was in 2001 when they came out with cable modem service.

So much for that happening. I am actually hoping they start to offer to keep the same speed for a discounted price because I have all the bandwidth I need FOR NOW at 8mbps.
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Old 05-04-2008, 09:48 PM   #51  
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The only reason I said $99 is because that was the lowest price HD DVD hit during the war. I never said it would easy to do for the hardware guys. But for that kind of money a million (or more) players would sell in one day. The resulting buzz and sales of movies would give the kind of bump BD could really use. Now I also think that the studios should help pay for the costs since they would benifit more than the CEMs from such a sale.
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The only reason I said $99 is because that was the lowest price HD DVD hit during the war. I never said it would easy to do for the hardware guys. But for that kind of money a million (or more) players would sell in one day. The resulting buzz and sales of movies would give the kind of bump BD could really use. Now I also think that the studios should help pay for the costs since they would benifit more than the CEMs from such a sale.
I think that would be a smart idea all around. CE mfg get to reach mass production levels, get some assurance that the BD format will survive, and the studios eat some of the cost to get all those players out there to buy BD movies from those same studios.

I doubt it will happen though.
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I never saw a corresponding spike in HD DVD software sales after their $99 promotion deals. Personally i don't think that $99 players lead to $25 - $30/pop software sales.

I think a $99 player would lead to sales of ~ $15 software, but i doubt the studios are ready for that leap.
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This is the problem! J6P is not ready for HDM and HDM is just not ready for J6P!
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This is the problem! J6P is not ready for HDM and HDM is just not ready for J6P!
Correct!

Agree 100%
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Old 05-05-2008, 06:06 PM   #56  
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Kind of odd since if anything DL services have been using the 'wait and see' motto to death.
Download speeds will get faster = only if you upgrade your cable package to the 'extreme' service. Otherwise your minimum 4mbit connection will barely change for years to come.
Quality will get better = AppleTV movies are almost HDcable bad.. how long will it be till they get 1080p quality or lossless audio?

Studios do see the light in downloads. I dont know why HD entusiasts should be happy though since that most likely translates into non-hd(though they call it HD) streaming services like the one found on abc.om
http://dynamic.abc.go.com/streaming/landing



As for blu rays pace it isnt bad. The people that will only buy the players at $99 wont mind waiting 2 years and the BDA knows that. Samsung only predicts an 80% increase in sales this year which is less than double. And the rest of the BDA dont see any big changes until 2009.

Me personally I already have the best player and like most people, focus more on d/d titles rather than catalog so the release list is pretty good imo.
A number of independent reviews put AppleTV HD offerings ahead of DVD and Cable HD VOD, (but below Blu-Ray as one would expect).

But it doesn't matter to consumers any more than comsumers care that MP3 downloads don't sound as good as CD (or SACD ). It's all about being "plenty good enough" and "more convenient" and "cheaper".
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Correct!

Agree 100%
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My, Lee and Omega Man whole heartedly agreeing on a statement that doesn't include the phrase 'free money'?!?!?!

Hell surely has frozen over! The end must be close folks.....Is that a flying pig that just went past my window?
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My, Lee and Omega Man whole heartedly agreeing on a statement that doesn't include the phrase 'free money'?!?!?!

Hell surely has frozen over! The end must be close folks.....Is that a flying pig that just went past my window?
And Kamspy making a post that doesn't have anything to do with games or DTS . .

Holy Sh*t!

I DID see a flying pig!

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My cable company went from 768kbps > 2mbps > 4mbps > 8mbps without increasing the price one bit. It is the same $40.00/month that it was in 2001 when they came out with cable modem service.

So much for that happening. I am actually hoping they start to offer to keep the same speed for a discounted price because I have all the bandwidth I need FOR NOW at 8mbps.
Who is your ISP? I started with Roadrunner ~1.2mbs in 1999. Cost me $56 back then.

Now I'm paying ~$50 for a 6mb with PowerBoost line. If I want to get the top tier from Comcast thats an extra $20 a month for a ~10mb line.

I swear, I hate Massachusettes!
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Who is your ISP? I started with Roadrunner ~1.2mbs in 1999. Cost me $56 back then.

Now I'm paying ~$50 for a 6mb with PowerBoost line. If I want to get the top tier from Comcast thats an extra $20 a month for a ~10mb line.

I swear, I hate Massachusettes!
I AM in Mass also, but I hate Mass too.

It is my town owned service. They also own their own electric company and their own phone company also.

The HD PQ was even better than Voom (highest rated sat company while alive) on most real HD channels too.
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