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Old 04-05-2008, 04:35 PM   #1  
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Default Here is a review of the HD DVD/BD versions of the new DVE HD Basics calibration discs

http://ultimateavmag.com/testtools/308dve/

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I have the older HD DVD DVE. I made one adjustment. I turned the color down one notch on my menu. So, not only do I have 'ears like a bat', I've also got 'eyes like a hawk'
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I have the older HD DVD DVE. I made one adjustment. I turned the color down one notch on my menu. So, not only do I have 'ears like a bat', I've also got 'eyes like a hawk'
Same for me. When I tested the audio with my SPL meter I was only off 1db on ONE speaker. I did a much better job than the Denon or Yamaha receivers ever did with their mic and auto setup routines.

I am getting the BD version of this as i also already have the HD DVD combo DVE and I want to test the BD players for deinterlacing etc. also.

With the DVE and using the 24Fps output of the A20 I have excellent deinterlacing in the bedroom display. Not bad for only spending $1,000.00 on a 47" 1080p LCD.
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I am just a little annoyed that the HD DVD version has so much more. I assumed that they would be the same and sent for the Blu-Ray version.
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Thanks for the link. I have always used DVE and always get bored and have to get a better handle on what to do with it.

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http://ultimateavmag.com/testtools/308dve/

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Good review. Another illustration of how much further HD DVD was along than Blu-ray and it's a crying shame that the better format lost.

I guess I'll have to double dip on this. I found the other disc to complicated to use, but I can use it for SD calibration since it's a combo.
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I am just a little annoyed that the HD DVD version has so much more. I assumed that they would be the same and sent for the Blu-Ray version.
From reading this review I think it points out from an authoring standpoint WHY many of the "optional" features of the BD format needs to be made mandatory IMO.

The problem with having a lot of optional features and differing implementations of it among the various players could make for a nightmare for authoring as was pointed out. I think this will only get worse as time goes by and they find different ways for players to implement things including the mandatory stuff.

I got the impression that even the mandatory stuff on BD has differing implementations that can be problematic. I am pretty sure that this is likely because the BD format was launched too soon, and will eventually be ironed out on the mandatory stuff, with possible issues down the road on the older 1.0 players like I have. I guess this just means more people should just get the PS3 until SAL BD players stabalize, if they can just consciously get past the "game Console" stigma.
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So if Sony can build a Game console with the Cell BE and sell it for $399 . . .

How come they can't build a BD SAL with the Cell BE instead of a SoC?

Some of the stuff needed on the PS3 like WiFi and multiple USB ports aren't necessary.

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So if Sony can build a Game console with the Cell BE and sell it for $399 . . .

How come they can't build a BD SAL with the Cell BE instead of a SoC?

Some of the stuff needed on the PS3 like WiFi and multiple USB ports aren't necessary.

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Simple. Sony is selling the PS3 at a loss because they make so much money of the sale of games for it to eventually cover the cost of the loss.

The CE companies do not have that luxury to do that so they need to use a SoC to make the kind of margins they want to make NOW, and going forward.

It certainly would be nice to have a SAL BD player with a programmable CPU in it so they can modify the player as they work out the fine details of the format and players don't get left behind as that happens. It would also likely help speed up the process of refining the format if they didn't have to try to make everything work with the 1.0 players, since they could be modified with a programmable CPU.
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Simple. Sony is selling the PS3 at a loss because they make so much money of the sale of games for it to eventually cover the cost of the loss.

The CE companies do not have that luxury to do that so they need to use a SoC to make the kind of margins they want to make NOW, and going forward.

It certainly would be nice to have a SAL BD player with a programmable CPU in it so they can modify the player as they work out the fine details of the format and players don't get left behind as that happens. It would also likely help speed up the process of refining the format if they didn't have to try to make everything work with the 1.0 players, since they could be modified with a programmable CPU.
I would love to see what the cost difference is between a SoC based BD player and a Cell BE based player.

Remember - with the SoC - you need many companion IC's and processors to support it.

Plus you can remove the cost of the HDD from the the PS3 tally of costs.

Great marketing angle - fully upgradeable to future changes . . . unless Sony doesn't want to do that.
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I would love to see what the cost difference is between a SoC based BD player and a Cell BE based player.

Remember - with the SoC - you need many companion IC's and processors to support it.

Plus you can remove the cost of the HDD from the the PS3 tally of costs.

Great marketing angle - fully upgradeable to future changes . . . unless Sony doesn't want to do that.
I agree. Some have said they hoped Sony would come out with a PS3 that looked like your average player and add IR to it. They say they would pay more for this model so that it fits in a equipment rack like normal CE components and of course have full IR support for a more seamless control experience.

I have no doubt this would be a popular configuration for the many people who bought or want to buy a PS3 as mainly/completely as a BD player. I would think the other CE companies would blow their tops though if they did it, so I doubt it would happen anytime soon.
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Good review. Another illustration of how much further HD DVD was along than Blu-ray and it's a crying shame that the better format lost.

I guess I'll have to double dip on this. I found the other disc to complicated to use, but I can use it for SD calibration since it's a combo.
What's a crying shame is that people here continue to post this nonsense. 25GB/layer is better than 15GB/layer and 48Mbps is better than 30Mbps, those are just simple facts and the better format won. You can say the less expensive format didn't win, but not that the better format didn't win, at least not if you like to make true statements.

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What's a crying shame is that people here continue to post this nonsense. 25GB/layer is better than 15GB/layer and 48Mbps is better than 30Mbps, those are just simple facts and the better format won. You can say the less expensive format didn't win, but not that the better format didn't win, at least not if you like to make true statements.

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Since when has the 48Mbps ever meant anything anyway when Blu-Ray has not released one single movie that has ever exceeded the best PQ HD DVD offered? I grant you that the bigger capacity will be useful but the 30 versus 48Mbps argument holds no water whatsoever.
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