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Old 03-03-2008, 04:15 PM   #1  
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Arrow Title should be: A Discussion on Super Resolution

In the recent aricle in the WSJ this excerpt came from AVS:

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As a follow up, a poster wrote: The upconversion Nishida's talking about is "Super Upconversion" or Real-Time Super Resolution technique that has been used in astronomy and by intelligence services for decades. CELL's computational power allows real-time super resolution processing of SD video to increase its native resolution to 960p, by fusing 9 frames front and back.

The Super Resolution(aka Super Upconversion) output is truely 960p, and journalists who have seen the demo at trade shows like CEDEC and CES vouched that it really worked. Previously, Super Upconversion was scheduled to appear on Sharp and Toshiba HDTV sets only, but the death of HD-DVD changed all that it is now confirmed that Super Upconversion will come to DVD players as well.
Here is what SR looks like (from Wiki):



An example of super-resolution processing using PhotoAcute software for Windows, Mac and Linux. The left half shows the original, blown up to twice its normal size. The right half shows the image (at native resolution) that results when the software combines nine images together and performs 2x superresolution.

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Old 03-03-2008, 04:26 PM   #2  
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wow that is quite a difference. Any word when these will hit the street. I love HD movies, but if I can turn my collection of dvds into an almost HD then I'll just pick up one of these players and forget about the BR players. The difference in those two pics you posted looks like the difference between HD and SD, so it won't matter to joe public if its true HD if it looks the same. Why pay more for something that isn't decernable, especially considering most people buy 32-40 inch tvs and then sit 12 ft away from them, where HD material is less noticable.
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It'd be sweet if this was a firmware update for the PS3.
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Sure let's go backwards! Whoohoo! Gotta love staying in the past!

Don't get me wrong, this looks promising, but why stick with something that is OK, when the possibility exists for much better. HDM has a chance now, and the only reason to celebrate this kind of technology is if you are so unbelievably biased against one company that you are willing to sacrifice the best for something that simply isn't that one company. That is pathetic.

You guys can have your upconverting. Enjoy the "almost" HD quality. I'll push forward and go with actual HD.

Thanks, but no thanks.
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It'd be sweet if this was a firmware update for the PS3.

I was thinking the same thing. And if this can be used for DVDs it could also be used to make BDs look even better.
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Sure let's go backwards! Whoohoo! Gotta love staying in the past!

Don't get me wrong, this looks promising, but why stick with something that is OK, when the possibility exists for much better. HDM has a chance now, and the only reason to celebrate this kind of technology is if you are so unbelievably biased against one company that you are willing to sacrifice the best for something that simply isn't that one company. That is pathetic.

You guys can have your upconverting. Enjoy the "almost" HD quality. I'll push forward and go with actual HD.

Thanks, but no thanks.
I agree with you, I'd much rather have HD and not upscaled movies, but if its going to take 5-6 years for HD movies to come down in price, why bother with it right now if you can get a super upconverter to get near HD quality. I usually buy my movies used, or 5 dollar bin at wallyworld. I just bought Baraka for 1 dollar, when it comes to Hd, it'll probably be 24 dollars.

I guess all this depends on how much these new players cost, and how well they actually perform. If they're half the price of HD players and actually do look like HD, then count me in. As it stands right now some movies upscaled look really good compared to HD, still HD is better, but super upconversion promises more.
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I was thinking the same thing. And if this can be used for DVDs it could also be used to make BDs look even better.
Maybe it will make BD's look almost as good as HD-DVD's which are a little better than SD-DVDs since Toshiba makes SD-DVDs look as good as HD-DVDs and ... I forgot what I were I was going with this....

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Sure let's go backwards! Whoohoo! Gotta love staying in the past!

Don't get me wrong, this looks promising, but why stick with something that is OK, when the possibility exists for much better. HDM has a chance now, and the only reason to celebrate this kind of technology is if you are so unbelievably biased against one company that you are willing to sacrifice the best for something that simply isn't that one company. That is pathetic.

You guys can have your upconverting. Enjoy the "almost" HD quality. I'll push forward and go with actual HD.

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Well.. I will not be double dipping for many of my SDs, if i can see them in better resolution, then it is a good thing. I think J6P will be thinking along the same lines.
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You know what strikes me as odd?

Why hasnt Sony been using the Cell in standalone BD players if its used in the PS3?
Cost maybe? I wonder if these superupconversion players would cost just as much, or maybe even more than normal BD players.
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bollocks to SD DVDs, how sweet will the Wii look hooked up to say a TV with that sorta processing?

Weren't Toshiba meant to be implementing this technology into all their TVs next year? It's bad news full stop for HD fans, but for J6P it's ace news, coz they don't have to buy Blu-ray.
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That is quite a difference. As an owner of about 2000 DVDs, I would definitely be interested in such a DVD player. It's so nice to keep seeing my collection look better with each improving player. First their was 480i players on my 4:3 CRT, then on a CRT widescreen, then a 480p player on a widescreen, then upconversion on a widescreen, then 1080p upconversion on a new 1080p HDTV, and now this. Cool. Depending on how well it looks, I may not be double-dipping so much in the future.

It will be also nice to give my XA2 a rest on the DVDs, and use it mainly for HD DVD playback, so it will last longer (as well as my spare).
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I agree with you, I'd much rather have HD and not upscaled movies, but if its going to take 5-6 years for HD movies to come down in price, why bother with it right now if you can get a super upconverter to get near HD quality. I usually buy my movies used, or 5 dollar bin at wallyworld. I just bought Baraka for 1 dollar, when it comes to Hd, it'll probably be 24 dollars.

I guess all this depends on how much these new players cost, and how well they actually perform. If they're half the price of HD players and actually do look like HD, then count me in. As it stands right now some movies upscaled look really good compared to HD, still HD is better, but super upconversion promises more.
Sure economics has a lot to do with it. But If I'm going to buy a movie, I don't mind spending $20-25 bucks for it since I know I'd be renting it enough to pay that price anyway. I don't buy a TON of movies, but I'm not going to go backwards now that I know what's out there.

BD Cannot take 4-5 years to come down in price. If they do, they are stupid and killing themselves. I can see $20 average price very soon and older releases in the $10-15 within a year. Player prices will drop within a year as well. I wouldn't be surprised to see a sub-$200 player by Christmas this year.

To me, the only reason to support upconversion over HDM by next year is that a person is blinded by their own personal bias and refuse to accept the results. That type of person will never accept BD. I'm not anywhere neat that biased. In the end, it's all preference. But I'm certainly not going to jump on the "upconverting" bandwagon simply because my HD-DVD players are an obsolete format.

Caveat, for those who have many hundreds of SD-DVDs, I'm not talking about you, I mean from now on. I wouldn't expect anyone to double dip, especially if these players hit. I am refering only to newly purchased movies....
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Nothing wrong with adding this technology with the current blu-ray.

Is this possible? I wonder if this upcoverting tech could be added to blu-ray.

At any rate, I'd rather stick with my HDM as the primary viewing media and this SD as a secondary. I see no reason to go back, I only want better!!!!!
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You know what strikes me as odd?

Why hasnt Sony been using the Cell in standalone BD players if its used in the PS3?
Cost maybe? I wonder if these superupconversion players would cost just as much, or maybe even more than normal BD players.
These new players will surely be just as expensive as a BD player whenever(?) they launch. They do have the benefit to the consumer of being able to use existing DVDs. More has to be known than the tiny bit of info we have at this point to draw any conclusions.
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Nothing wrong with adding this technology with the current blu-ray.

Is this possible? I wonder if this upcoverting tech could be added to blu-ray.

At any rate, I'd rather stick with my HDM as the primary viewing media and this SD as a secondary. I see no reason to go back, I only want better!!!!!
I think that settles it, I wont be getting another BD player to go along with my PS3 until Sharp, Sony, Panny, or Toshiba make a cell based BD player.
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