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Old 02-24-2008, 11:33 AM   #46  
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Put it this way..... If any of us owned a format that was the only available one, we would probably RAISE the current prices of our discs and make more money.
Thanks for bumping this old thread. Now, please tell me the serious opposing format for DVD that has kept DVD's prices from skyrocketing.
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Thanks for bumping this old thread. Now, please tell me the serious opposing format for DVD that has kept DVD's prices from skyrocketing.
I get your point about prices not skyrocketing, but in theory Sony could do just that in the short term. I admit this scenario is not likely, but one thing is for sure, they sure won't be dropping. And considering the current pricing is as high as 34.99 for a movie, that is considered skyrocketed pricing already. One thing is for sure, they prices will drop (over the long haul) much much slower, and it's not like Sony isn't known for exactly that, not dropping prices....why do you think BM lost the last format war. In the end, their is not one single good argument, value wise, for BD to win this format war. In the end, the consumer loses and Sony wins. I won't be getting my BD won check in the mail and neither will the sony fanboys.
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I get your point about prices not skyrocketing, but in theory Sony could do just that in the short term. I admit this scenario is not likely, but one thing is for sure, they sure won't be dropping. And considering the current pricing is as high as 34.99 for a movie, that is considered skyrocketed pricing already. One thing is for sure, they prices will drop (over the long haul) much much slower, and it's not like Sony isn't known for exactly that, not dropping prices....why do you think BM lost the last format war. In the end, their is not one single good argument, value wise, for BD to win this format war. In the end, the consumer loses and Sony wins. I won't be getting my BD won check in the mail and neither will the sony fanboys.
All your future price talk is pure speculation and contrary to sound economic principles and past examples of CE pricing trends.
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Agreed. Because if HD DVD ever pulls the plug, HDM is done for it. We can all go back and enjoy 1080p up-scaled SD DVD's.
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I'm only stating track records here. Of course I would love to eat my words and have BD come down in price quickly and compete with SD. I am only concerned with pricing, and anytime you remove competition, you slow the price drops. Once again, not saying they won't come, but competition is what drives prices drops quickly. In the end, it could be a year to two difference for BD to be competitively priced. I don't think there is any argument that shows no competition brings prices down quicker than actually having competition.
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I'm only stating track records here. Of course I would love to eat my words and have BD come down in price quickly and compete with SD. I am only concerned with pricing, and anytime you remove competition, you slow the price drops. Once again, not saying they won't come, but competition is what drives prices drops quickly. In the end, it could be a year to two difference for BD to be competitively priced. I don't think there is any argument that shows no competition brings prices down quicker than actually having competition.
HD-DVD is not needed for competition. There is competition within the Blu-Ray format to buy different brands. DVD didn't have any competition but players still dropped like a rock. I think that HD-DVD fans have no sense of format history
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HD-DVD is not needed for competition. There is competition within the Blu-Ray format to buy different brands. DVD didn't have any competition but players still dropped like a rock. I think that HD-DVD fans have no sense of format history
But the competition is now reduced without the "other" format to provide that additional competition.

Whenever you reduce competition, you reduce the need to be as price competitive. This is a economic fact, so although there is still competition, it is much less now so price reduces will likely happen slower than they would have with two formats competing for the same market.
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I'm only stating track records here. Of course I would love to eat my words and have BD come down in price quickly and compete with SD. I am only concerned with pricing, and anytime you remove competition, you slow the price drops. Once again, not saying they won't come, but competition is what drives prices drops quickly. In the end, it could be a year to two difference for BD to be competitively priced. I don't think there is any argument that shows no competition brings prices down quicker than actually having competition.
I need you to tell me whose track record you are talking about and also explain the track record in full detail. Next, if there is no competition in the BD camp. I need you to tell me what Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, LG, Denon, Pioneer, and Sharp are doing in relationship to each other. They ARE NOT competing, they are ______________.
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"They ARE NOT competing, they are __________"

Partners in the BD format.

They are competitors also, but they are also partners when you listen to all the BDA talk over the last 2 years.
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But the competition is now reduced without the "other" format to provide that additional competition.

Whenever you reduce competition, you reduce the need to be as price competitive. This is a economic fact, so although there is still competition, it is much less now so price reduces will likely happen slower than they would have with two formats competing for the same market.
I do agree prices of BD gear will drop more slowly than the artificial, last gasp, they know it is the end, fire-sale price drops introduced by monopolistic HD DVD hardware producer Toshiba that seem to be the baseline price indicators around here. But that is to be expected.

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Partners in the BD format.

They are competitors also, but they are also partners when you listen to all the BDA talk over the last 2 years.
I guess they could be somewhat considered partners at this time, however I haven't heard of any profit sharing.
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The prices for blu-ray may drop slower, but consumers will have far more confidence in investing in one format then when a format war was raging. I believe consumer confidence in one format out weighs the the loss of HD-DVD as competition. IMO, blu-ray will slowly increase sales in players and software. Judging by Amazon this seems to be happening. (although Amazon may be rough estimate, but still can be used).
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no doubt at all about the consumer confidence in one format, but be careful not to overstate consumer confidence in one format being better than saving money with a choice. The prices for new technology staying at a high cost of ownership have a much worse affect on consumers than which format to invest in. Both discs will still work long after the war is over and a hd library of 500+ movies is nothing to balk at if your a current hd dvd owner. If the war would have actually lasted until the prices of both formats movies were around $12-17 then the consumer would have won. Also, If hd dvd had stayed in the race one more year, we would have seen those prices by xmas this year. Since they did not, I would venture to say its going to be more like 2 years before we see those prices. And you won't see a blue ray standalone player for $100 until at least summer/xmas 2009 IMHO.
I hope I end up being wrong and BD are $12-17 for new releases and players are $100 this year, but unfortunately I don't see that happening. I am not an hd dvd fan, I am a consumer fan, and when the consumer loses choices, they also lose their pocketbook...
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no doubt at all about the consumer confidence in one format, but be careful not to overstate consumer confidence in one format being better than saving money with a choice. The prices for new technology staying at a high cost of ownership have a much worse affect on consumers than which format to invest in. Both discs will still work long after the war is over and a hd library of 500+ movies is nothing to balk at if your a current hd dvd owner. If the war would have actually lasted until the prices of both formats movies were around $12-17 then the consumer would have won. Also, If hd dvd had stayed in the race one more year, we would have seen those prices by xmas this year. Since they did not, I would venture to say its going to be more like 2 years before we see those prices. And you won't see a blue ray standalone player for $100 until at least summer/xmas 2009 IMHO.
I hope I end up being wrong and BD are $12-17 for new releases and players are $100 this year, but unfortunately I don't see that happening. I am not an hd dvd fan, I am a consumer fan, and when the consumer loses choices, they also lose their pocketbook...
I just did a quick scan of Amazon and most new release DVDs were more than $17. To think that HDM in the near future is going to be cheaper than the mature and entrenched DVD format is just fucking stupid. BD players are also not going to be $100 this year. People who don't want to spend $200-$300 for a player have an option, it's called DVD.
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I regularly get new release dvd's for 14.99 -16.99 at the local walmart, so don't start talking about new dvds cost so much.
Lets see:
American Gangster 2 disc set, $14.87
Michael Clayton $16.88
The Gameplan $16.96
The Assasination of Jesse James $16.87
Gone Baby Gone $17.87
The Valley of Ellah $17.88
Just to mention a few.Those are at your local walmart.And that's not to mention online retailers, BB release day specials, discount coupons etc...
I don't know of any competing movie producers for the same movie. Last I checked when you by any dvd, hd dvd, BD etc...hell even vhs you have one option to buy that movie. There is no competition for American Gangster, it was released by Universal home Video, period. That's it. There are no other manufacturers releasing the movie. In players, yes there is competition, but not in the movies, where the savings are so much more its no comparison. And even within the players, you can bet they are not killing themselves to drop prices to beat each other. They will work together, even though not as technical partners, but partners in the sense that the prices will drop much slower than if there was an opposing lower cost format to push down prices. Competition always helps the consumer, and none of the BD fanboys have linked a copy of their "we won the format war" check yet......

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