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Old 01-15-2008, 04:07 PM   #76  
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The problem is not that HD DVD owners/fans do not want HDM to succeed or that they hate BD (although some do), but rather that what BD has to offer is not done and even being incomplete is too expensive. If the BDA wants BD to succeed, then they need to EARN the customers. Judging what they announced at CES they still do not get that.

There is a small window for BD to take off and have ANY hope of becoming mainstream, but they seem to be care more about high margins than mass appeal with high volumes at lower margins. If BD does not have a stand alone BD player with full profile 2.0 compliance at $200.00 by year end, I believe it will remain niche and downloads will just take over. Most people think SD DVD is "good enough" so they are not going to pay 4-10 times the money for BD players AND pay 2-3 times the money for the BD movies over SD DVD.

It is not that HD DVD fans don't want BD, but rather that BD doesn't want to do what is necessary to win over HD DVD fans/owners. They seem to think that people should just want them instead of doing what is necessary to MAKE them want BD.
It's like talking to a wall sometimes. Why is it so hard to get people to understand all I want is what HD DVD has given me for $99. I'm even willing to spend more to get it from Blu-Ray. I don't want a PS3 so what options do I have? One, sit on the sidelines and wait.

I haven't been following CES, other than the Panny what players were shown?
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:11 PM   #77  
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It's like talking to a wall sometimes. Why is it so hard to get people to understand all I want is what HD DVD has given me for $99. I'm even willing to spend more to get it from Blu-Ray. I don't want a PS3 so what options do I have? One, sit on the sidelines and wait.

I haven't been following CES, other than the Panny what players were shown?
Such snobbery!! I guess you'll just have to wait and wait.. *crickets chirping.....*
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Old 01-15-2008, 04:49 PM   #78  
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I love it the Blu Ray fanboys keep posting articles on how HD DVD is dead or cough cough should be!!
LMFAO if it is stfu about it if Sony "won"
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:01 PM   #79  
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WAIT! I thought that the Format "War" was over already!

You mean, Blu-Ray has not, "Won?" But the BDA said that they had Won! 90% of the media pundits said that Blu-Ray has ,"Won!"

So does this mean that we have all been LIED TO......AGAIN!

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Old 01-15-2008, 08:15 PM   #80  
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Love the blue.

Also i noticed something i will make a thread.
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:36 PM   #81  
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Great, now someone expects a major manufacture to throw away millions because they asked them too!!!

Is BR then going to allow HD DVD owners to swap their movies for the BR's of the same?

Right, perfectly logical. Everyone involved in HD DVD just "walk away."

Now I need some aspirin.
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Old 01-15-2008, 08:38 PM   #82  
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Be sure to take the RED pill, because the BLUE pill could kill ya! LOL
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:52 PM   #83  
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Just read this at http://www.homemediamagazine.com/new...ticle_id=11875
really hits the nail on the head imo

"Itís time to knock it off. Ever since the two rival next-generation formats launched in 2006, I have been calling for an end to the format war, but without specifically telling one side or the other to get out.

Iím doing so now. With Warner Home Video dumping HD DVD, the format has the support of just two of the six major studios. It cannot win. At best, it can be a spoiler, but Iím hoping Toshiba, Universal and Paramount will take the high road and, for the good of the entire industry, bow out. Universal and Paramount, in particular, need to jump on the Blu-ray Disc bandwagon so we can go into the new year with a unified front and a unified mission: To educate consumers about the advantages of high-definition media and convince them the time to transition from standard DVD to Blu-ray is the day they bring that HDTV into their home.

Prolonging a format war that never should have happened in the first place makes no sense at this point. Study after study shows that consumer confusion is the No. 1 reason people arenít rushing out to buy HD media hardware or software, and the format war is the reason everyoneís so confused ó why risk buying something that six months down the road could be obsolete?

Quite honestly, I never favored either Blu-ray Disc or HD DVD. I saw the advantages of both. I also believe we need a successor technology, one that takes full advantage of HDTV and presents viewers with a true high-definition picture.

I also never bought any of the arguments that sought to defuse the potential damage of the format war by presenting it as a good thing. Sure, multiple formats exist in other industries, such as games and computers, but home video isnít like that. Much like music, we have the exact same product ó the hit of the week.

The events of the past two years could be a textbook case for how not to launch a format. Blu-ray Disc was rushed to market simply because HD DVD was already there, fit and primed. Thatís why we have these evolving players and technologies such as Bonus View and BD-Live. Sure, it would have been nice to have everything in Blu-rayís final spec. But that didnít happen.

Looking back, HD DVD never had the support it needed. One CE maker against dozens; just three of the six majors, and even that was whittled down to two out of six when Warner bailed out.

The writingís clearly on the wall. Letís do the right thing."

What gives you the right to you to ask consumers to hand over their hard earned money to Sony? Blu-ray has no more value for money spent than HD-DVD. This format issue should be decided by the consumers, not the Sony and the Studios. We do not live in dictatorship where we told how think and what we are told.do.

Consumers favour HD DVD over Blu-ray due to negative perception of Sony
HDTVUK reported the findings of a US-based survey which suggests that a major factor in consumer negativity about the Blu-ray high definition optical disc format is a distrust of Sony, and annoyance from some gamers that they're forced to adopt Blu-ray if they get a PS3. HD-DVD live on!
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Old 01-15-2008, 09:55 PM   #84  
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Blu-ray has no more value for money spent than HD-DVD.

HD-DVD live on!
Actually, the opposite is true! Blu-Ray offers LESS value than HD DVD today!
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:18 PM   #85  
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Actually, the opposite is true! Blu-Ray offers LESS value than HD DVD today!
Thanks!

I'm new at this on the forums, and for some reason my typos and corrections did not take. I think the point is still there.
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I'm new at this on the forums, and for some reason my typos and corrections did not take. I think the point is still there.
NP and Welcome to the Forums! We are a lively but cool bunch here!
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Need I say more.
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Old 01-16-2008, 02:33 AM   #88  
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Just read this at http://www.homemediamagazine.com/new...ticle_id=11875
really hits the nail on the head imo

"Itís time to knock it off. Ever since the two rival next-generation formats launched in 2006, I have been calling for an end to the format war, but without specifically telling one side or the other to get out.

Iím doing so now. With Warner Home Video dumping HD DVD, the format has the support of just two of the six major studios. It cannot win. At best, it can be a spoiler, but Iím hoping Toshiba, Universal and Paramount will take the high road and, for the good of the entire industry, bow out. Universal and Paramount, in particular, need to jump on the Blu-ray Disc bandwagon so we can go into the new year with a unified front and a unified mission: To educate consumers about the advantages of high-definition media and convince them the time to transition from standard DVD to Blu-ray is the day they bring that HDTV into their home.

Prolonging a format war that never should have happened in the first place makes no sense at this point. Study after study shows that consumer confusion is the No. 1 reason people arenít rushing out to buy HD media hardware or software, and the format war is the reason everyoneís so confused ó why risk buying something that six months down the road could be obsolete?

Quite honestly, I never favored either Blu-ray Disc or HD DVD. I saw the advantages of both. I also believe we need a successor technology, one that takes full advantage of HDTV and presents viewers with a true high-definition picture.

I also never bought any of the arguments that sought to defuse the potential damage of the format war by presenting it as a good thing. Sure, multiple formats exist in other industries, such as games and computers, but home video isnít like that. Much like music, we have the exact same product ó the hit of the week.

The events of the past two years could be a textbook case for how not to launch a format. Blu-ray Disc was rushed to market simply because HD DVD was already there, fit and primed. Thatís why we have these evolving players and technologies such as Bonus View and BD-Live. Sure, it would have been nice to have everything in Blu-rayís final spec. But that didnít happen.

Looking back, HD DVD never had the support it needed. One CE maker against dozens; just three of the six majors, and even that was whittled down to two out of six when Warner bailed out.

The writingís clearly on the wall. Letís do the right thing."
BLAH BLAH BLAH,

you got a lot words there.
I'll take my position and power as the consumer and use it to buy what I DEEM worthy of my money. If you blu boys love to give it away so much, please do. And if it's only the end of the format war you want, tell all the overspent blu's to give up their blu ray's and to HD DVD, that would end it too. HD DVD or not, blu will never over take SD DVD. It's not HD DVD's fault blu is not spec complete, overpriced and consumer unfriendly. I'll be only buying HD DVD and SD DVD.
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