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Old 01-15-2008, 01:17 PM   #61  
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Do they have any study for the amount of HDTVs sold? I think that would be a better proof of how the market is doing. I'm thinking that not many people even have HDTVs yet so there is really no confusion.
Only about 25% of American homes have an HDTV:

http://broadcastengineering.com/hdtv...-hd-confusion/

Actually these numbers are a bit below expectations. In 2005 most analysts predicted the number would be more like 35% at the end of 2007.

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Old 01-15-2008, 01:17 PM   #62  
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Do they have any study for the amount of HDTVs sold? I think that would be a better proof of how the market is doing. I'm thinking that not many people even have HDTVs yet so there is really no confusion.
Just wait until the digital mandate hits one year from next month.
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:21 PM   #63  
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It's just a vibe I'm picking up. It started with forums, bloggers, and editorials (basically people's opinions), and now an analyst is saying it. And why not? It's true. Both sides did lose, Blu-ray hasn't demonstrated that it has what it takes to succeed with regards to the high supply side cost and low demand, and with HD-DVD's decline HDM is in fact in trouble.
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:27 PM   #64  
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Just wait until the digital mandate hits one year from next month.
But the analog shut down date (2/17/2009) has nothing to do at all with hdtv. It only affects those who recieve their tv signals via a over the air antenna. Its this subject that has J6P confused not which HDM media to support.
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:29 PM   #65  
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Just read this at http://www.homemediamagazine.com/new...ticle_id=11875
really hits the nail on the head imo

"Its time to knock it off. Ever since the two rival next-generation formats launched in 2006, I have been calling for an end to the format war, but without specifically telling one side or the other to get out.

Im doing so now. With Warner Home Video dumping HD DVD, the format has the support of just two of the six major studios. It cannot win. At best, it can be a spoiler, but Im hoping Toshiba, Universal and Paramount will take the high road and, for the good of the entire industry, bow out.
Remember, from April 06 to December 06, HD-DVD had 100% of the hi-def disc market.

Did BD "bow out" then? LOL.
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:39 PM   #66  
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But the analog shut down date (2/17/2009) has nothing to do at all with hdtv. It only affects those who recieve their tv signals via a over the air antenna. Its this subject that has J6P confused not which HDM media to support.
True and any TV sold above 32" in 2006 and after all TV in 2007 will be able to watch the digital signal. Those we didnt get a TV in that time will have to either get cable, Direct TV, or get a converter (which the government will give you a voucher for one free)
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Why don't the A3 and A30 have coax audio outs?

My optical ports are full!!

My display is only 1080i, and I'm not sure I can justify an extra $170 for the A35 for the analog outs.
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Have you thought about getting an optical to coax converter? I bought one a while ago and it works well.
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Old 01-15-2008, 01:46 PM   #69  
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Why don't the A3 and A30 have coax audio outs?

My optical ports are full!!

My display is only 1080i, and I'm not sure I can justify an extra $170 for the A35 for the analog outs.
Give it a couple of weeks probably will goo down even further in price
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You just don't get it do you, there are no players available yet that meet the sort of prices and specs we enjoy from Toshiba and until there is blu-ray is a pipe dream.

Don't waste your time pleading to us to support blu-ray. Plead to the BDA to get their act together and get affordable players with proper features onto the market, then we can talk.
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The problem is not that HD DVD owners/fans do not want HDM to succeed or that they hate BD (although some do), but rather that what BD has to offer is not done and even being incomplete is too expensive. If the BDA wants BD to succeed, then they need to EARN the customers. Judging what they announced at CES they still do not get that.

There is a small window for BD to take off and have ANY hope of becoming mainstream, but they seem to be care more about high margins than mass appeal with high volumes at lower margins. If BD does not have a stand alone BD player with full profile 2.0 compliance at $200.00 by year end, I believe it will remain niche and downloads will just take over. Most people think SD DVD is "good enough" so they are not going to pay 4-10 times the money for BD players AND pay 2-3 times the money for the BD movies over SD DVD.

It is not that HD DVD fans don't want BD, but rather that BD doesn't want to do what is necessary to win over HD DVD fans/owners. They seem to think that people should just want them instead of doing what is necessary to MAKE them want BD.
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The trouble with the PS3 is the audio side, i.e no support for the HD audio formats. I'd probably get one if it could output the lossless audio streams. My HD A35 can so I expect the same from any blu-ray player I buy.
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Actually, the ps3 will decode TrueHD if I remember correctly, having previously owned one
The PS3 CAN decode DtHD, but you need a HDMI receiver to actually use it. The PS3 does not have any analog audio outputs and likely never will in any new model either since it would be expensive.

To be fair though. The A2/3 & A20/30 models need a HDMI receiver also to get the audio, but the prices are less than half what the PS3 costs, so the $250.00+ could get you over half way to buying a HDMI receiver.
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True and any TV sold above 32" in 2006 and after all TV in 2007 will be able to watch the digital signal. Those we didnt get a TV in that time will have to either get cable, Direct TV, or get a converter (which the government will give you a voucher for one free)
I see a problem developing here - as more and more people buy HDTVs (for the above reason) and see how much of an improvement they get with their existing DVDs and SD player - will they want to 'improve' to another level and move to HDM?
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The problem is not that HD DVD owners/fans do not want HDM to succeed or that they hate BD (although some do), but rather that what BD has to offer is not done and even being incomplete is too expensive. If the BDA wants BD to succeed, then they need to EARN the customers. Judging what they announced at CES they still do not get that.

There is a small window for BD to take off and have ANY hope of becoming mainstream, but they seem to be care more about high margins than mass appeal with high volumes at lower margins. If BD does not have a stand alone BD player with full profile 2.0 compliance at $200.00 by year end, I believe it will remain niche and downloads will just take over. Most people think SD DVD is "good enough" so they are not going to pay 4-10 times the money for BD players AND pay 2-3 times the money for the BD movies over SD DVD.

It is not that HD DVD fans don't want BD, but rather that BD doesn't want to do what is necessary to win over HD DVD fans/owners. They seem to think that people should just want them instead of doing what is necessary to MAKE them want BD.
That is so correct and I couldn't have said it any better.

Some of the Blu-Ray supporters just cannot understand our reasoning for not just saying, "What the heck Blu-Ray's won, let's all just throw our HD DVD players away and go quickly buy what ever Blu-Ray player is available and while we're at it we should all buy new cutting edge A/V receivers because HD audio is part of the Blu-Ray experience also, it's onlymoney and we should all support the better format because they say so"!

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I see a problem developing here - as more and more people buy HDTVs (for the above reason) and see how much of an improvement they get with their existing DVDs and SD player - will they want to 'improve' to another level and move to HDM?
The TV does not need to be HDTV. They just have to have the tuner in it to be able to view TV channels that are digital. My mother in law as a 32inch CRT tv she got 1 1/2 year ago. It has a A/D button on it. If you press it, it will change from the snow picture from the ant to a clear crisp picture
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The TV does not need to be HDTV. They just have to have the tuner in it to be able to view TV channels that are digital. My mother in law as a 32inch CRT tv she got 1 1/2 year ago. It has a A/D button on it. If you press it, it will change from the snow picture from the ant to a clear crisp picture
I am aware that such TVs exist (WalMart were selling CRTs like that a year ago) however most people when buying now will not have much choice except to get an HDTV as that's just about all that is available now!

My point was that they will see an immediate DVD quality improvement (widescreen/TV upconversion) without going the HDM route!
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