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Old 01-15-2008, 10:00 AM   #31  
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Where did you buy your laserdisc's? I still have over 300 Laserdisc's and you could never find one below $50 new, most in fact were between $100-$150 per title and some over $200. If you don't consider them to be expensive then you are not on the same level as the general public. Current DVD pricing is where that bar is at and most consumers are not willing to pay signifigantly more.
At the end of the 90s, during the waning days of Laserdisc, Warner and Universal both started releasing titles for under $30, I picked up The Apostle and some Uni titles. But like you said during most of it's run LD was very expensive.

In fact the Star Wars example I gave above was one of the first attempts to release a disc at a consumer friendly price.


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What are you talking about? Lasderdiscs were expensive and averaged between $35-40 for a single disc two-sided movie and $60 for longer movies over two hours or with extra features.

In 1989 Fox released each Star Wars film on two-disc Special Widescreen Editions. Each retailed for $59.95. Later they released the Star Wars Definitive Collection for $100 plus dollars... laserdics were not cheap.... hence their downfall.

Eventually the prices came down after about 10 years to about $25 but by then it was too late, DVD was beginning to rise.


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Your prices are a little high. You're talking Fox prices, which were always higher than everyone else, just like today with their Blu-ray prices.

Most single disc movies were $25, since almost the beginning of the format. Double discs were usually $40, and the Fox tax was an additional $10-$20.

Laserdiscs cost about $10 per platter to manufacture, so that's why multi-disc sets got so expensive. But average run-of-the-mill single disc releases were never expensive.

I collected laserdiscs like a fiend back in the day.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:10 AM   #33  
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Your prices are a little high. You're talking Fox prices, which were always higher than everyone else, just like today with their Blu-ray prices.

Most single disc movies were $25, since almost the beginning of the format. Double discs were usually $40, and the Fox tax was an additional $10-$20.

Laserdiscs cost about $10 per platter to manufacture, so that's why multi-disc sets got so expensive. But average run-of-the-mill single disc releases were never expensive.

I collected laserdiscs like a fiend back in the day.
In Toronto area where I live they wer not below $50 until DVD's started to come out. I wish I shopped in your area.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:11 AM   #34  
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I would purchase a bd player IF they've solved the long load times and the freezing problems. But I'm going to watch if the price on hd dvd movies comes down with only 2 studios supporting it.
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Where did you buy your laserdisc's? I still have over 300 Laserdisc's and you could never find one below $50 new, most in fact were between $100-$150 per title and some over $200. If you don't consider them to be expensive then you are not on the same level as the general public. Current DVD pricing is where that bar is at and most consumers are not willing to pay signifigantly more.
I bought my laserdiscs at Tower Records, which was just about the only place you could buy them. And I bought my first laserdisc player in 1988 at Montgomery Wards Electric Avenue.

You must have limited your purchases to special collector's edition CAV boxed sets to be paying that much. I bought the 3-disc + schwag Fantasia boxed set for $100 when it first came out, and that was a pretty extravagant package. Lots of regular Paramount, Warner, and Universal titles were $30 hot off the presses, unless they used two discs. (I bought lots of CLV, unlike you apparently. )
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Your prices are a little high. You're talking Fox prices, which were always higher than everyone else, just like today with their Blu-ray prices.

Most single disc movies were $25, since almost the beginning of the format. Double discs were usually $40, and the Fox tax was an additional $10-$20.

Laserdiscs cost about $10 per platter to manufacture, so that's why multi-disc sets got so expensive. But average run-of-the-mill single disc releases were never expensive.

I collected laserdiscs like a fiend back in the day.
Again, sorry, but the average MSRP for laser disc was $39.99 for a single disc movie. You may have found a smoking deal for them or a retailer who priced them down, but those were the average prices. Hell, people were shocked when Goldeneye was priced at only $49.95.

And boy was I wrong, I just went over and looked at my old collection, the MSRP for Star Wars The Definitive Collection was $250!

I have around 175 discs in my collection.


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Man we got way off topic here
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:25 AM   #38  
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LaserDisks were an elite product back in the 80's and early 90's, much more elite than HDM is today.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:25 AM   #39  
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I dont understand. The reason that I ask is I have read on this forum and others that the Profile 1.1 removed the advance audio decoder from there players (i guess to cut cost) and the only way to get it is to have a receiver that has a decoder that has those decoders

Panasonic DMP-BD10
Dolby Digital/Dolby Digital Plus Decoder Yes
Dolby True HD Decoder Yes
DTS/DTS-HD High Resolution/Master Audio Decoder DTS-HD High Resolution Only

Panasonic DMP-BD30K
Dolby Digital/Dolby Digital Plus Decoder Bitstream output using required HDMI™ connection
Dolby True HD Decoder Bitstream output using required HDMI™ connection
DTS/DTS-HD High Resolution/Master Audio Decoder Bitstream output using required HDMI™ connection

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-e...702#tabsection
Lossless audio codec support (from Super XP's link):

LPCM - manditory for both Blu Ray and HD DVD players
TrueHD - HD DVD:manditory, Blu Rayptional
DTS-HD MA - optional for both

So Blu Ray players don't HAVE to include TrueHD or DTS-HD MA support (the only manditory audio codecs for BR are Dolby Digital and DTS). This didn't matter when BR discs mostly used LPCM (remember all the threads arguing about whether PCM was better than TrueHD). Now apparently there are BR discs coming out that include TrueHD for some reason but some new players don't appear to decode it.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:31 AM   #40  
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Again, sorry, but the average MSRP for laser disc was $39.99 for a single disc movie. You may have found a smoking deal for them or a retailer who priced them down, but those were the average prices. Hell, people were shocked when Goldeneye was priced at only $49.95.

And boy was I wrong, I just went over and looked at my old collection, the MSRP for Star Wars The Definitive Collection was $250!

I have around 175 discs in my collection.


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No you're wrong, so nanny nanny boo boo. (j/k)

I remember what I paid for discs, because back then moreso than now, I paid very close attention to how much money I was spending, because I didn't have very much. I would be shocked too at Goldeneye costing $50, but it was a 2-disc set, so I would expect $40. I guess MGM/UA wanted a premium.

You can't compare the price of the Star Wars: The Definitive Collection boxed set, which was the pinnacle of laserdisc collectordom, to regular laserdiscs releases. That's just silly. The thing had 9 discs in it! It had to cost at least $100 just to manufacture it. Remember what I said about the cost of pressing a disc, and how the number of discs affected the price? Most movies came on only one disc.
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Old 01-15-2008, 10:46 AM   #41  
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Getting back on topic... Unlike the OP's article, here is an article that is spot on:

http://www.pcretailmag.com/news/2924...g-in-HD-battle

iSuppli – 'CES didn't decide anything in HD battle'
Ben Furfie Today, 12:29pm
Analyst suggests Warner decision means everyone loses, not just HD DVD


A senior iSuppli analyst has warned that the only result of Warner's decision to exclusively release content on Sony's Blu-ray format is that everyone, from manufacturers to consumers will lose.

"CES didn't come close to determining which format will win," states iSuppli's Krishna Chander. "No side won this week—but in reality, both camps lost."

"Every day the Blu-ray and HD DVD camps spend prosecuting this standards war represents a day lost in their race to remain relevant. Amid the rise of exciting new digital media offerings like YouTube, iTunes and On-Demand services, the window of lucrative opportunity is closing for both standards."

"Consumers likely will buy more Blu-ray players and more discs due to the availability of the Warner content," Chander observed. "However, the company's decision to go with Blu-ray hinged on short-term pricing declines for the Blu-ray players.

"While not commenting on the relative virtues of the standards, this analyst believes Warner's cost-based decision doesn't take into account two important factors: technical merits and long-term benefits for consumers."

"Blu-ray players recently have declined in pricing, but they remain more expensive than the HD DVD alternatives.

Beyond lower cost, the HD DVD players also boast superior programmable features, enabled by Microsoft's Hdi technology, proponents say," the report states, suggesting that Blu-ray inferior platform is bad news for consumers.

The HD DVD group is also focusing on other features, which it claims mean its format is superior to Blu-ray, and represents a better deal for consumers.

One is that its players do not have region encoding, meaning that as soon as a HD DVD movie launches in the US, UK owners can purchase and watch it. The other feature is that it can upscale standard definition DVDs to near-HD quality.

"HD DVD is the best way to watch movies in high definition," said Jodi Sally, vice president of marketing, Toshiba's digital audio-visual group.

"Our HD DVD players not only play back approximately 800 HD DVD titles available worldwide and deliver an entirely new level of entertainment but also enhance the picture quality to near high definition on legacy DVD titles by all studios.

"In short, we added high def to DVD which already is the de facto standard format created and approved by the DVD Forum that consists of more than two hundred companies [including many which are part of the Blu-ray consortium]."


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Old 01-15-2008, 10:49 AM   #42  
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BTW, IMDB lists info on laserdisc releases, with their original MSRPs. When available, pay special attention to CLV (2 side) releases, because those were the ones you were most likely to find in a store, and the ones I would most likely buy. See for yourself what they cost.
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Nice article, well wriiten. Thanks Yancy
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...A senior iSuppli analyst has warned that the only result of Warner's decision to exclusively release content on Sony's Blu-ray format is that everyone, from manufacturers to consumers will lose.
Interesting. It seems that an increasing number of people are saying this.
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Interesting. It seems that an increasing number of people are saying this.
Dare what do you mean by this?
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