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Old 01-10-2008, 12:15 PM   #1  
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Why HD DVD will thrive and prosper
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I've read quite a few comments on the current state of affairs regarding HD DVD and it's imminent demise.

I've thought a lot about it over the past couple of days and want to offer some ideas that I have not seen put forth.

Many will have you think that if a given delivery format doesn't have backing and support from all the major studios then the format cannot exist and deserves to expire. This thought seems to be preoccupied with the only movies that count are blockbuster theme park ride movies (e.g. Transformers, Pirates, Spiderman). As we all know, thankfully there are more types of movies being made that appeal to various subsets or niches of viewers (e.g. music videos, independent films, documentaries).

With a current installed base of one million plus for HD DVD, I see no reason for HD DVD to go anywhere and continue to serve and entertain this user base. It may even grow over time.

I think the way SACD continues on is an example. Despite being declared dead by the media, new SACDs continue to come out each month by smaller companies like Telarc and apparently find a market. The SACD comparison is apt also because most SACDs are hybrid SACD/CD so no dual inventory problem is created and any purchaser is protected because it will play in any CD player. HD-DVD also has this advantage because it too can be dual format with no downside for users or retailers.

DVD-A is also instructive. Despite being dismissed by the mainstream media, artists as diverse as Neil Young, Porcupine Tree, and the Beatles continue to produce DVD-A. DVD-A is again consumer and retail friendly as they usually contain lossy standard DVD video surround formats that can play on any DVD video player.

Finally, the thriving LP vinyl market shows that a format long thought to be dead continues on and is profitable at a certain level. The LP market in particular is instructive of how HD DVD can continue to produce new content. Despite companies such as Warner seeking to end the war by declaring their loyalty to Blu-ray, I don't see it as a contradiction to believe we will see new HD DVD content released under a licensing agreement in the future. Companies such as Warner would not produce or fund any direct product but instead would agree to license to third parties willing to take on the financial costs of production and distribution. This happens with with the current LP market where and new and old titles are continually being released by independent companies under licensing agreements. I have to assume some of these companies are making a profit or it would not be happening. It's hard to imagine any content company turning down such a licensing arrangement if it costs no money to them and actually is another source of revenue. The work of Criterion comes to mind here as an example.

So, in wrapping up I see cause for hope here and I for one will continue to support the HD DVD format for some time to come.

I would also suggest Toshiba move quickly and adopt some of these ideas:

1. Make a blanket offer to any and all content companies to take on the burden of manufacture and distribution of any content they would provide in the HD DVD format. Also, all discs would be combo discs to ensure compatibility. There would be no costs and only revenues to the content providers.

2. Aggressively court any and all independent film makers to master their product for HD DVD and provide any and all support to produce these films in the HD DVD/DVD combo format.

In parting, I would encourage people to consider that we are at a tipping point not just in content distribution but in content creation. HiDef production tools (e.g. Red Camera, Final Cut HD) will eventually break the stranglehold of traditional hollywood production with excessive budgets and Las Vegas odds of turning a profit (e.g. Evan Almighty). I would say the traditional media companies are equally afraid of both these developments just like the music business has feared and has been overwhelmed by the Internet.

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Old 01-10-2008, 12:21 PM   #2  
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Interesting write up, and it could actually be true if Toshiba starts to organize it's disc as such.

I still buy Vinyl records today. The sound quality just can't be beat.
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Old 01-10-2008, 12:31 PM   #3  
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The way I'm reading this is that they are suggesting HD DVD could continue to survive as a niche format, but acknowledging that it will not be the dominating brand. So no, it won't be "thriving". I own vinyl records but you don't exactly see them lining the aisles in Best Buy or anything. So unless you plan on exclusively shopping online or independent video stores to buy HD DVDs, that's the only way you will be getting them if they end up like vinyl records, DVD-A, or SACD.
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Well, why were no new players shown at CES.

I very much want a SAL, but I can't get past the reviews on Amazon.
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Old 01-10-2008, 12:38 PM   #5  
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If HD DVD just put out live concert footage and no movies, I'd be all over it. Music is basically my first love. Sadly, they sort of lost on that front too becuase Sony owns 2 of the biggest record labels in the world.
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Old 01-10-2008, 12:43 PM   #6  
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The difference between HD-DVD and Vinyl is Vinyl used to be the dominant format, unlike HD-DVD which never came close to overthrowing SD-DVD.

The loser of the HDM format war will not be releasing new material years after the war is over. It makes no sense that material would be released on a dead format.

I dove into HD-DVD a year ago because of the low price of the Xbox 360 HD-DVD add-on. Even though I've been "red" for a year, I'm really happy to hear one format is finally taking a commanding lead. Having more than one format is nothing but destructive. I've had many conversations at work about high-def movies, and the people I talk to are not buying into either format specifically because of the format war. And they all have HDTVs.

So even though I only own HD-DVDs, I'd be ecstatic if Paramount/Dreamworks and Universal switch sides soon. With no major studio support, retailers will soon clear out their HD-DVD stock and the war will be over. And finally, my friends at work, and everyone else owning an HDTV who's been sitting on the sidelines will jump in and get a high-def movie player and start buying movies. This will encourage the studios to release even more high-def movies which will be great.

I really don't understand why certain people on these forums are so adamantly against HD-DVD dying and Blu-ray being the sole survivor. As long as one format dies and the other one thrives, it'll be a good thing.
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Well, why were no new players shown at CES.

I very much want a SAL, but I can't get past the reviews on Amazon.
Again don't use the reviews on Amazon for making a decision, way too many of them are from people that:

1. probably don't even own the product their reviewing and are just pushing a hidden agenda.

2. They own it and didn't bother to learn as to how to properly set it up or use it.

3. They were not educated in what drawbacks they would have to address, such as dirty/smudged/scratched discs not playing because of the laser being so precise and reading so much more information and this caused errors in playing them, something they had not experienced too often in SD DVD players.

HD DVD players on real professional review sites have generally gotten better reviews then the Blu-Ray stand-alones (several have been horrible and they actually suggested you buy a different brand).

I'm sorry you this mis-information worries you, but what you are implying is not true and you should understand that the HD DVD players are maybe some of the best constructed, high quality DVD players available anywhere and even if HD DVD went away totally (not likely with over a million base of players) they still are among the finest DVD upscalers available anywhere.
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There have been too many fanboys from both sides slagging of rival products/formats on open review sites such as amazon.
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The difference between HD-DVD and Vinyl is Vinyl used to be the dominant format, unlike HD-DVD which never came close to overthrowing SD-DVD.

I really don't understand why certain people on these forums are so adamantly against HD-DVD dying and Blu-ray being the sole survivor. As long as one format dies and the other one thrives, it'll be a good thing.

Some of us are against HD DVD dying and Blu-Ray being the sole survivor is because Blu-Ray no matter what the the fanboys say was and still is the lesser format.

I sincerely hope that changes but right now it is over priced and lacking many of the abilities and features that were standard on HD DVD from the beginning.

It needs to correct and add those before it has a prayer of replacing SD DVD in the market.

If it doesn't the entire HDV market will remain a niche and eventually die out.

If it does actually change to become at least the equal of HD DVD then I might be just fine with it, but I still prefer HD DVD for a the real reasons as everyone with any intelligence/knowledge knows already.

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There have been too many fanboys from both sides slagging of rival products/formats on open review sites such as amazon.
Absolutely, it is a terrible place to get answers from as to what and what not to buy.
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Old 01-10-2008, 02:56 PM   #11  
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As I've said before, the only way to secure some sort of life for HDDVD is, focus efforts on smaller studios, indie studios, porn companies, tv channels that want to publish in HD cheaply, home-usage (where are the recorders??).

This will not be enough to warrant people buying HD standalone players, but it could mean that DF takes off, so Toshiba would get licensing from those, plus from the discs they sell.

Much better alternative to fighting an uphill battle against BD that they cannot win, and that is costing them hundreds of millions, if not billions...
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Some of us are against HD DVD dying and Blu-Ray being the sole survivor is because Blu-Ray no matter what the the fanboys say was and still is the lesser format.
Yes, but ask yourself this, is Blu-ray better than DVD? I think everyone can agree the answer is a huge "YES" (high-def rocks in any format!) If you want high-def to become more than a niche, then the format war must end quickly. So even if you think Blu-ray is inferior to HD-DVD, at least you're getting a vastly superior format to DVD. As long as the format war continues, neither format will ever become big.

But as to whether or not Blu-ray is inferior to HD-DVD, personally I think they're equal. Profile 1.1/2.0 features (especially 2.0) are not that important to me. Picture and Audio quality and lots of extras (hopefully in high-def) are what are important to me.
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Absolutely, it is a terrible place to get answers from as to what and what not to buy.
Yeah it's like going to Kmart and asking what the K means with the response, "Kwality."
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Yeah it's like going to Kmart and asking what the K means with the response, "Kwality."
If anyone kares, the "K" stands for Kresge, the family that started the company.
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What about the Chinese HD DVD format, CH DVD? Is this available yet? What if Toshiba worked something out with the Chinese companies to make plain old HD DVD instead of their variant. China doesn't seem too interested in blu ray, and a billion potential customers would be formidable.

I'm not getting my hopes up, but I wouldn't mind seeing China beat Sony up a bit. I love Chinese culture, and it's high time they reclaimed some of the stature they used to have before the worst Drug Lord of all time, Victoria, interfered in their affairs. They have also put up with a lot of filth from Japan over the centuries (yes, I know Toshiba is a Japanese company, just like Sony).
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