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Old 01-09-2008, 12:13 AM   #1  
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I feel like a middle man. I think HD DVD was the better format all the way around. I think it has better standards and that makes for happier customers. Yet I bought in to the freebies and sales and the fact I just want High Def. Does a person like me have a place? Can I convince friends like Lee Stewart and PCF5 to see the best way to go is the way the wind blows, or do I chalk it off... Then off... Or.... ?

Follow the dollar. Some fo us here can afford to play this game, Most of us can't. I can't. I love the movies. I have to go where the wallet wills. Right now I feel like BD gave me cheap movies. Will it last? No. But I hit it when it's hot.

There are some cats I respect ultimately for their stance. Some are just fanboys. I said all that to say I concede the point, I want HD content, especiallly before some company finds a way to whore me out of owning content.

I think of Strawberry, I think of PCF5, I think of Lee... I love HT as much as you, Im drunk anhd Im tired of fixing typos, so just go with it. Deal with idiots like GLOW andNewt on another level. They have nothingbut this war. Let them be the sorry fools they are. Sad, really.

But so am i for being drunk, But what I said holds truth. Consider it.
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If they ever buy into Blu, I doubt they will talk about it.

If they have a passion for HDM as their post counts suggest, and they don't buy a BD player (if BD indeed wins), well...............................
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No Blu for me unless I can find a Profile 2.0 player prices less than $199. I'll stick with my HD DVD player & my Hi Def Satellite. I get any movie in Hi Def anyway.
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i bought my sony bd 300 back in nov and plan on buying another one when the dust clears....
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Purple for me, but rooting for HD-DVD. BTW, my PC will already do Profile 2.0, if the discs ever come out.
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Got a PS3 this past X-Mass, as you can see from my sig, I'm a huge BD supporter.

Anyway, I would have never paid for that oversized gorilla of a player even if it was cheap. I plan on ridding myself of it once a cheap, fully compliant player comes along, or I may get the new Samsung Dual Format standalone.
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I feel like a middle man. I think HD DVD was the better format all the way around. I think it has better standards and that makes for happier customers. Yet I bought in to the freebies and sales and the fact I just want High Def. Does a person like me have a place? Can I convince friends like Lee Stewart and PCF5 to see the best way to go is the way the wind blows, or do I chalk it off... Then off... Or.... ?

Follow the dollar. Some fo us here can afford to play this game, Most of us can't. I can't. I love the movies. I have to go where the wallet wills. Right now I feel like BD gave me cheap movies. Will it last? No. But I hit it when it's hot.

There are some cats I respect ultimately for their stance. Some are just fanboys. I said all that to say I concede the point, I want HD content, especiallly before some company finds a way to whore me out of owning content.

I think of Strawberry, I think of PCF5, I think of Lee... I love HT as much as you, Im drunk anhd Im tired of fixing typos, so just go with it. Deal with idiots like GLOW andNewt on another level. They have nothingbut this war. Let them be the sorry fools they are. Sad, really.

But so am i for being drunk, But what I said holds truth. Consider it.
I already own a PS3 and own about 12 movies on it I think. I own a lot more HD DVD movies and 2 HD DVD players.

I usually am NEVER an early adopter of formats because of just what ended up happening. I waited 2 years to buy a SD DVD after the launch on SD DVD. It has served me well, and 9 years later it is still the most popular format. Because of the looming HD formats, I pretty much stopped buying SD DVDs as I didn't want to be "stuck" with inferior versions of my movie library. I have over 400 SD DVDs right now.

The reason I bought into HD DVD after a couple of months (6/2006) of the format release was because my SD DVD player was dying. The digital coax audio output was dropping sound, so I had to change to the optical output. I knew it was only a matter of time so I tried several upscalers and they were not very good. I figured I would have to pay $300.00 for a good upscaler so was eying the Panasonic S97 upscaler. I couldn't find ANYONE selling it locally so when I heard the reports about the A1 being such a good upscaler and got (at the time) a good deal at $450.00 and 6 free HD DVDs I jumped in.

I had already been investigating both HD formats for over a year before they were released and figured price and the HD audio decoders built-in being mandatory so I could keep my brand new $600.00 Yamaha receiver AND get the HD audio and thought it was a much better way to bring a format to market. Yeah, I was talking about the BD profiles issue back then also. That really bothered me back then so it was not fanboy based but CONSUMER based as my reason to back HD DVD.

In December 2007, I bought my oldest son (actually step son by legal definition only) a PS3 because that was the game console he wanted the most. I had a lot of problems back then with my oldest daughter (who I have custody of) and her mother (my ex-wife), so him being about the best kid a parent could hope, I felt regardless of price I was going to get him a PS3.

Financially, a lot happened since then and I spent many many thousands of $$ in legal fees to keep custody of my daughter, so money has been fairly tight since then. I am STILL paying the debt for those legal costs even now a year later.

I have said that after around 2/2007 the BD movies finally looked as good as HD DVD which they didn't early on, and the reasons for choosing HD DVD was mostly cost and complete player specs, so I would not have to replacement BD players to get ALL the features. It turns out that the PS3 (60GB model is what I have) is the most complete BD player, but I have a new problem....

Since getting buying COD4 for my son, the PS3 has been getting much more game playing time and this has upset my wife quite a bit. She cannot use the main HDTV to watch cable or movies and she wants the PS3 moved to my son's bedroom now. With the Warner decision that leaves me stuck. I cannot afford to buy two BD players and my wife likes to watch many movies in our bedroom. That leaves me with either HD DVD or SD DVD for now, so I have sufficient versatility to keep my wife happy.

I still do not want to buy SD DVDs except for my kids movies which they will watch repeatedly so they will be of value in their bedrooms. This is another reason WHY I was such a big fan of combo discs on HD DVD.

This was longer than I thought it would be but I wanted to make it clear what my thought process was for choosing HD DVD.

I truly felt that the BDA and the media did NOT give enough exposure to the BD profiles issue and spent a lot of time educating people asking about the HD formats so they could make a INFORMED decision. Heck, Toshiba barely even mentioned the profiles issue (and they should have been screaming about it with ads etc.) so how were people to know about it?

This format war has consumed a great deal of my time, but I still posted some (but not as much as I would have liked) in the HDTV sections to try to help people make more informed decisions on displays and such. That has always been a big reason for me to continue to come here and post so much originally. I like to help people and give back some of the knowledge I gained when I wanted to learn more about HDTVs. I had a lot of problems with my first HDTV purchases and it took a lot of time to get a good one back then.

I got so caught up in the whole format war and a lot of misinformation that surrounded BOTH formats. Well, there is not so much work to do on the HD format war front any longer, but people STILL need to be aware of the profile issues and I hope others will all mention it not to attack the BD format, but so people can make a fully informed decision before jumping in as many new people MIGHT with the format war coming to a close at some point now. They STILL need this info IMO.

I am not sure what I will do for sure, and maybe I will convince my wife to put up with the PS3 being in the main HT room, and just use the 47" 1080p LCD in our bedroom that I got for only a grand on Black Friday. I would need to get a BD player for the bedroom to continue to support BD movie purchases, but the cost & profile issues STILL bother me. I have to wait until some time has past and what happens with BD player profiles/prices to make my decision whether it will only be a niche format or not before I take another chance on movie discs.

Right now, my gut says that BD will be niche, but time will tell how it turns out and IF I buy into BD down the road. At this point I just do not know.

Sorry for such a long winded post but I wanted people here to know WHY I chose the format I did and my individual reasons ONE last time. I felt I owed that to everyone here since I was such a big advocate of HD DVD and now that it looks like it might be at it's end, I wanted to say sorry for, in hindsight, being such a a big advocate for a format that others might have bought into partially because of my posts. I am truly sorry to those people.

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Old 01-09-2008, 01:32 AM   #8  
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I am largely taking a break from HDM now. Like PFC I have never been one to delve into a product that has no base or reassurance that it will survive. I am not an early adopter. I bought into HD DVD because I got a brand new HDTV for my birthday (a cheap off brand Olevia), and was on a sort of HD "high" you could say. Looking for the cheapest solution for HD content other than my 360 games (I don't have cable or satalite television, I can't stand it) I went with HD DVD, despite knowing full well that at the time Universal was the only exclusive major content provider. It wasn't an issue for me really because they are my favorite studio, by far.

Anyways, I have been burned. Not too badly, I'd say. . . I still have plenty of HD movies and an awesome HD DVD player that can play those movies as well as upconvert my regular old DVDs to awesome levels. But I have burned enough to know that I should wait. Blu-ray may have won against HD DVD (I'm not saying it has but the tides have definitely turned) but it still has to best DVD and gain enough consumer interest to do so. I remain unconvinced that it can. . . Until I am 100% positive that Blu-ray will replace DVD as the standard medium I will not purchase any. I spent about $300 on HD DVD players (add-on, stand-alone) and about three times that much on the movies themselves (at least). Discs are where the money is, and I won't get burned again.

Yes this includes HD DVDs as well. My girlfriend bought Stardust on HD DVD last night (for herself, GREAT movie btw) and I do believe that will be the very last one, provided some miracle occurs.

It's been a sad sad HD week for me. More money to save for Europe though. . .
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Old 01-09-2008, 02:06 AM   #9  
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I am a nut about the best Audio Quality and Picture Quality I can get. Thats the reason why I got into the realm of High Definition Media. The reason I chose HD DVD was because ultimately Blu-ray lacked an equivilent product to the Toshiba HD XA2. After I became aware of the BD 1.0 profile "doorstop" issue (thanks again PFC5) in the Samsung BD-P1000 I had, I returned it to the store. I then researched what was out there for both formats. Not to mention that ALL Blu-ray players were 1.0 at that time and 100% non-upgradeable, with the exception of the PS3, I just could not find another Blu-ray player on the market for any price that offered as much as the XA2 did.

I actually remember thinking about a PS3 back then too because after trying Blu-ray I knew it was awesome. However, I had just bought an XBOX 360 the previous year and didn't fancy featuring a videogame console in my recently upgraded home theater. Since I like to have the best and most advanced products that I can afford, I went with the XA2, which put me in the HD DVD camp. I still feel that even after all that has come to pass, and the state of HD DVD's future prospects, I made the smartest choice I could have. I never regret making a smart decision. Then again, maybe it would have been smarter to stay out of HDM all together???

No seriously, I have thoroughly enjoyed my HD DVD experience, and I will continue to in the future. However, since it appears to be over, I want to get a Blu-ray player to continue my enjoyment of HDM, while I support HD DVD to whatever end it meets of course. However, if HD DVD ends tomorrow, I will be left out of HDM becuase I will not purchase a Blu-ray player unless it offers me everything I want.

I still have no interest in a PS3 for the same reasons as before, so I have to hold out for a 2.0 profile player that has a good enough build quality and bells and whistles to satisfy me at a price well under $1000. I can afford to spend more than $1000 on a player at the drop of a hat, but since I also have a passion for Music, expensive cars, and expensive motorcyles, not to mention the nightlife and travelling, I have to be at least somewhat anal. With that said, I don't think what I am looking for in a Blu-ray player is too much to ask for. Hopefully it gets delivered to me within 6 months or I may just lose interest in HDM permanently.
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Wow, so with simply an announcement by a major movie studio, we have HDM consumers apologizing to each other for voicing their educated opinions or making recomendations and others vowing to switch to SD DVD's only, going forward!

All I can say is WOW!

This is very, very unbelievable to me.

First off, risk is a way of life in this CE game. Period!

There are NO right decisions that one individual can make for all, in this game. We each all make our own choices for our own reasons.

Second off, why do some of you have your tails between your legs and your faces to the floor? You all STILL have the best commercially available HDM play back systems available on the Planet today! Now how many people around the world can say that? (not enough obviously! )

Third, ALL HD DVD players can play SD DVDs and up convert them as well. ALL HD DVD players can play PiP enabled HD DVD titles. ALL HD DVD players can easily connect to the Internet for download, updates, and other unprecedented interactive functionality.

I am honored, not saddened to have access to this level of technology, within my lifetime.

I also recognize that the CE industry is filled with Money Grabbing Whores, that will keep things changing, just to get us all to spend our money, yet again!

I've said it many times here before, the key here is to get the VALUE out of what you have purchased!

If you do not feel that you have gotten the appropriate value out of your HD DVD purchase decision, then I suggest that you go out and buy some more HD DVD movies, get your HD DVD player(s) connected to the Internet and petition whomever you think will listen to deliver you some new HD DVD movies, until you do!

If you look at things from this perspective, then it really does not matter what happens to HD DVD or BD, now does it?
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Format is irrelevant after you rip them.
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Wow, so with simply an announcement by a major movie studio, we have HDM consumers apologizing to each other for voicing their educated opinions or making recomendations and others vowing to switch to SD DVD's only, going forward!

All I can say is WOW!

This is very, very unbelievable to me.

First off, risk is a way of life in this CE game. Period!

There are NO right decisions that one individual can make for all, in this game. We each all make our own choices for our own reasons.

Second off, why do some of you have your tails between your legs and your faces to the floor? You all STILL have the best commercially available HDM play back systems available on the Planet today! Now how many people around the world can say that? (not enough obviously! )

Third, ALL HD DVD players can play SD DVDs and up convert them as well. ALL HD DVD players can play PiP enabled HD DVD titles. ALL HD DVD players can easily connect to the Internet for download, updates, and other unprecedented interactive functionality.

I am honored, not saddened to have access to this level of technology, within my lifetime.

I also recognize that the CE industry is filled with Money Grabbing Whores, that will keep things changing, just to get us all to spend our money, yet again!

I've said it many times here before, the key here is to get the VALUE out of what you have purchased!:
I don't think I could possibly agree with you more, if I had written that all myself. However, it's only up to this point that I can say that.

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If you do not feel that you have gotten the appropriate value out of your HD DVD purchase decision, then I suggest that you go out and buy some more HD DVD movies, get your HD DVD player(s) connected to the Internet and petition whomever you think will listen to deliver you some new HD DVD movies, until you do!

If you look at things from this perspective, then it really does not matter what happens to HD DVD or BD, now does it?
I do feel I have gotten the appropriate value out of HD DVD. It's delivered everything I ever thought it would and more, and I will keep on getting titles. I personally, really look forward to the sales on HD DVD media when people start clearing inventory. Yes, I am 99% sure this will happen at some point, and that HD DVD has indeed "lost".

However, I really don't think buying up titles or petitioning, etc is going to matter one iota at the end of the day. Too much content has swung the other way. The only hope Toshiba has is that they buy off at least Fox and Disney, but then we are right back to a stalemate, which I would personally welcome, because at least then I had a choice. However, I don't think Toshiba's likely to do that at all, and they'd have to do it immediately to make it pay off. At this point, there isn't much the consumer can do to change what has happened, and what has happened shows that the consumer who was interested solely in the movie aspect of HDM didn't really matter anyway.
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IYes, I am 99% sure this will happen at some point, and that HD DVD has indeed "lost".
Sorry! I'm not buying into this concept no matter how many times I have to read it on the various forums. The only thing Toshiba and HD DVD has, "Lost," at this point, is some pride!

If Toshiba or ALL of the remaining studios, ever announce that they are calling it quits on HD DVD, then I will accept it, without an issue.

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At this point, there isn't much the consumer can do to change what has happened, and what has happened shows that the consumer who was interested solely in the movie aspect of HDM didn't really matter anyway.
You made my last point here as well. It really is all about the movies and the move watching experience. HD DVD offers the best of this today. IMHO. Something else will tomorrow! The medium on which the movie experience is delivered, is only really relevant to the consumer, for the moment.

Do I think that HD DVD is the best delivery platform available today, for an HD movie watching experience? Of course I do!

If and when Blu-Ray, Shmu-Ray or No-Ray can exceed that which HD DVD can currently deliver to me, in a finished and fully standardize format, then I may decide to invest in that technology as well. Until then, I'll stick with that which works consistently!
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I'm rooting for HD DVD, in fact I'm probably going to buy some more titles tonight or tomorrow from Amazon. I'm not going to sell my player, so I figure I'll make the most of my investment and grab some more movies.

In saying that, I'm also going to buy into blu, in the form of a PC drive. That gets around the profile issue and doesn't require a PS3.

My one hope is that Universal and Paramount at least stay neutral for some time yet (Assuming Toshiba aren't going to throw it in). I went through a fair bit of hassle to import an HD A3 for my Father for Christmas, and to return it would cost me a lot. I already feel pretty stink over it because of Warner, I'd feel even worse if the remaining two content providers just up and left.

Of course that's my personal emotion on the matter, whether it's realistic or not is a different story really.

I have to add, the absolute best thing for me is the lack of region coding. The price I can import movies for is astoundingly good, considering. In addition to that, it's miles ahead of the local release. Blu ray doesn't offer me that luxury (I know some titles aren't coded, but it just isn't the same).
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I feel like a middle man. I think HD DVD was the better format all the way around. I think it has better standards and that makes for happier customers. Yet I bought in to the freebies and sales and the fact I just want High Def. Does a person like me have a place? Can I convince friends like Lee Stewart and PCF5 to see the best way to go is the way the wind blows, or do I chalk it off... Then off... Or.... ?

Follow the dollar. Some fo us here can afford to play this game, Most of us can't. I can't. I love the movies. I have to go where the wallet wills. Right now I feel like BD gave me cheap movies. Will it last? No. But I hit it when it's hot.

There are some cats I respect ultimately for their stance. Some are just fanboys. I said all that to say I concede the point, I want HD content, especiallly before some company finds a way to whore me out of owning content.

I think of Strawberry, I think of PCF5, I think of Lee... I love HT as much as you, Im drunk anhd Im tired of fixing typos, so just go with it. Deal with idiots like GLOW andNewt on another level. They have nothingbut this war. Let them be the sorry fools they are. Sad, really.

But so am i for being drunk, But what I said holds truth. Consider it.
Prost mate!

I love my htpc with itīs BD ROM drive. I can buy and watch the movies, and i donīt have to buy the PS3 or the (for now and imo) rather weird BD SAL stuff.

Region coding? bye bye.....

HDCP? bye bye.....

Profiles? My htpc is connected to the internet and i have about 700GB "persistant memory"....

There are some shortcomings of course, but it will probably hold me over until i can buy an all region 2.0 SAL, maybe even with HD DVD support for a reasonable price. I am a cheap bastard, so this will take some time.

My htpc says "up yours!" to the BDA every time i put a BD in my drive.
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