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Old 01-05-2008, 10:54 AM   #16  
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I believe WB may have a contract with HD-DVD until May 2008.
That wasn't the point. Well, see above.
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Old 01-05-2008, 10:55 AM   #17  
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Do you honestly believe that BD is going to be in every home where an SD player is now? Are BD players going to reach the 39$ mark? Are they going to sell BDs for 15$ on a regualr basis?

I don't see that happening but I didn't see it happening with either format. I know lots of J6P's and understand their way of thinking. SD is just too cheap and "good enough" regardless of what us, the early adopters, think. J6P loves a bargain and they shop WM's bargain bin a lot!
It'll be a LONG time, if ever, that Blu-ray equals DVD. I know in the past year I had a very tough time talking friends and family into the merits of high-def in general (not to mention HD DVD or Blu-ray). Many people think of BR as an expensive luxury. They totally like DVD and don't find HD that big of an upgrade (as DVD was over VHS). Now, this might change over time...

I think BR should try to woo over the angry HD DVD early adopters, such as us. Yeah, this is a bit selfish, but they could potentially lose out on hundreds of thousands of sales in the coming year or so. I'm not sure how they would do this, though, unless Toshiba and BR group would work on an affordable dual format player to help transition HD DVD fans to BR. Would be good PR for both Toshiba (not abandoning their customers) and Blu-ray.
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Old 01-05-2008, 10:55 AM   #18  
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This is unreal, this can be said for HD DVD as well, neither have a really good chance of taking over DVD, but we all agreed the best chance was to get ONE format, now there is one format, the one that sells the most movies, the one with the most hardware, so be happy and root for HDM now.
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Old 01-05-2008, 10:56 AM   #19  
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Blu-Ray, the new Laser Disc!!!

Thanks Warner for killing off HDM. Was 1/2 billion worth it?

I can't see Blu-Ray taking off anymore. They will never outsell SD DVD. Well not in another 2 to 3 years that is. And by the time that happens something better will be out that will costs cheaper. Can HD VMD do it?
And how long can PS3 FanBoys & BOGO sales sway the numbers from the truth? I am very surprised Warner chose this manipulative route. Lots of MONEY.
Toshiba & MS should have sold their souls to gain Warner.

Now HD DVD needs very good news, something that will drive momentum on their behalf Big Time, what can that is? Disney/Lions Gate move into the HD DVD Camp? TL51GB & TLTwin discs to be released by Universal/Paramount/DreamWorks etc. ONLY? With no separate SD DVD?
You all just got my Q1 2008 & Q3 2008 info, though I didnít think it would have turned out this way.
I think that HD DVD is toast, but I agree that BD may become the new Laser Disc. Even after the majority of people own HDTVs, there are still going to be cheap up-converting DVD players available that are advertised as HD and the average consumer will likely choose these over BD. That is unless BD hardware prices drop to an acceptable level.

I probably won't jump on the Blu Boat until 2.0 compliant BD players become available at a reasonable price and it is clear that BD will be the successor to DVD. By then, something better may come along. HD VMD? Probably not. I heard that HVD may be on the market by 2010, so who knows? The fact is that HD DVD was an obstacle for BD, but the real "war" begins now - BD vs DVD.
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Old 01-05-2008, 10:56 AM   #20  
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I am a little confused why Warner said they would continue to support HD-DVD for another quarter and then pull the plug. That puts them in the position of spending resources supporting a format that they just torpedoed. That looks like self-sabotage to me. Paramount did it the right way.

Warner is still being weenies. They want to hold out a little longer to see if those stand-alone players start to make progress, and leave themselves a back door in case they do.
Nah they are doing it probably to fullfill their contract. Since they did this right before CES, I'd say it was more like a cut-throat from behind
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Old 01-05-2008, 10:57 AM   #21  
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That does not end my confusion. They are stuck supporting HD-DVD, and they just sabotaged their market potential. So why the announcement now?
Yeah, I'm with you on this one. If WB is stuck in a contract until May, why break the news now. I have to imagine any format neutral people, like myself, will buy the BR version instead of the HD DVD. I could understand if it was going to just sell currently available titles until May, but why new releases as well? Does the contract maybe force them to do a 1 for 1 BD HD DVD release? In other words, is WB forced, by contract, to release an HD DVD version of any movie they release in BD?
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Do you honestly believe that BD is going to be in every home where an SD player is now? Are BD players going to reach the 39$ mark? Are they going to sell BDs for 15$ on a regualr basis?

I don't see that happening but I didn't see it happening with either format. I know lots of J6P's and understand their way of thinking. SD is just too cheap and "good enough" regardless of what us, the early adopters, think. J6P loves a bargain and they shop WM's bargain bin a lot!
People look at how rapidly and completely DVD took over from VHS and expect HDM to do the same thing to DVD.

What nobody seems to acknowledge is how much VHS sucked. It was not a secret, everybody knew it sucked, even before DVD appeared. Why do you think laserdisc held on for 20 years with only half the players than HDM has sold in 2 years? People were dying for something better than shitty old VHS. Demand was so pent up, that when DVD appeared, it was like letting go of a drawn slingshot.

HDM has no potential to do that, because, as much as we like high definition, as a consumer product, DVD does not suck. It doesn't deteriorate with repeated plays, it doesn't decay on the shelf, it doesn't need to be rewound, it works with your existing TV, it takes up less space, it looks like a CD, and oh yeah, the picture is better. (Notice what is at the end of the list.)

HDM is an adjunct to DVD, but DVD is the king, and HDM isn't going to dethrone it.
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I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that an HDM format can beat out DVD eventually. VHS was in the same position and DVD eventually wiped it out. HDTVs are selling like hotcakes now. When people see the difference between Blu-Rays and DVDs, they'll buy into Blu-Ray, especially when the prices go down. DVD players started out between $500 and $1000, but they eventually came down in price, as does any new technology.

I'm an HD-DVD owner, but I'm kinda glad Warner Bros. went with Blu-Ray considering it gives one format a considerable advantage. I have been cautious with buying too many HD movies because of the format war. If HD-DVD really dies soon, that will open up the market for Blu-Ray which is a good thing.

HDMs (both formats) are really not doing so bad. I remember when DVD came out, they only had one section of a row at Best Buy. Then eventually they grew to a whole row, and then two rows, and then eventually took over the whole video section. Right now at my Best Buy, HD-DVD has 1/2 a row and Blu-Ray has 3/4 of a row. Once the HD-DVDs are removed, it will allow Blu-Ray to start growing into 2 full rows. And if all the studios start fully supporting Blu-Ray, the shelf space will keep growing, which is good for HD movie lovers like us.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:09 AM   #24  
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super xp, why dont you go crawl back under the rock you came out of. Be a man and face FACTS, the format of hd media you decided to buy into has LOST, take it like a man, continue to buy hd dvd's if you wish, or go out and buy a blu ray player, i dont care, just dont go posting STUPID threads like this like some spastic fanboy. GET OVER IT, ITS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:09 AM   #25  
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Do you honestly believe that BD is going to be in every home where an SD player is now? Are BD players going to reach the 39$ mark? Are they going to sell BDs for 15$ on a regualr basis?

Yes, after awhile, they could become cheap. DVD players were $1000. DVD's were as much as $40. I'm not saying it WILL happen, just that it COULD happen.

I don't see that happening but I didn't see it happening with either format. I know lots of J6P's and understand their way of thinking. SD is just too cheap and "good enough" regardless of what us, the early adopters, think. J6P loves a bargain and they shop WM's bargain bin a lot!


J6P loved VHS too. The industry WILL FORCE people to change or be left out. Don't believe that? Buy a NEW release on VHS. The CEM's will stop making DVD only players to force adoption of Blu Ray and because there is NO PROFIT MARGIN in $39 DVD players.
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You contradict yourself from other posts you have made. You can't be upset if WB got payment, which they have denied.

Yet make a statement like "Toshiba & MS should have sold their souls to gain Warner.


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Blu-Ray, the new Laser Disc!!!

Thanks Warner for killing off HDM. Was 1/2 billion worth it?

I can't see Blu-Ray taking off anymore. They will never outsell SD DVD. Well not in another 2 to 3 years that is. And by the time that happens something better will be out that will costs cheaper. Can HD VMD do it?
And how long can PS3 FanBoys & BOGO sales sway the numbers from the truth? I am very surprised Warner chose this manipulative route. Lots of MONEY.
Toshiba & MS should have sold their souls to gain Warner.

Now HD DVD needs very good news, something that will drive momentum on their behalf Big Time, what can that is? Disney/Lions Gate move into the HD DVD Camp? TL51GB & TLTwin discs to be released by Universal/Paramount/DreamWorks etc. ONLY? With no separate SD DVD?
You all just got my Q1 2008 & Q3 2008 info, though I didnít think it would have turned out this way.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:10 AM   #27  
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Blu-Ray, the new Laser Disc!!!

Thanks Warner for killing off HDM. Was 1/2 billion worth it?

I can't see Blu-Ray taking off anymore. They will never outsell SD DVD. Well not in another 2 to 3 years that is. And by the time that happens something better will be out that will costs cheaper. Can HD VMD do it?
And how long can PS3 FanBoys & BOGO sales sway the numbers from the truth? I am very surprised Warner chose this manipulative route. Lots of MONEY.
Toshiba & MS should have sold their souls to gain Warner.

Now HD DVD needs very good news, something that will drive momentum on their behalf Big Time, what can that is? Disney/Lions Gate move into the HD DVD Camp? TL51GB & TLTwin discs to be released by Universal/Paramount/DreamWorks etc. ONLY? With no separate SD DVD?
You all just got my Q1 2008 & Q3 2008 info, though I didnít think it would have turned out this way.
I guess if Blu-Ray is the new Laserdisc, HDDVD will be like VideoCd?

Come on, be serious, everyone knows that the big war will be against dvd, and that it won't be easy (and that it will take long). With one format there is at least a chance of success.

Nobody will leave the Blu-Ray camp after this either, and stop whining about a payoff when Toshiba did exactly the same thing to get Paramount.
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Old 01-05-2008, 11:13 AM   #28  
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No one in here should whine about any sort of pay off. Paramount got a payoff and HD DVD almost paid off WB and Fox to get them to go HD DVD but they backed out. If your going to believe one story, believe them all. Stop holding onto this like it's a child. Let it go.
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I don't see that happening but I didn't see it happening with either format.
Neither do I, but I can still hope!
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J6P loved VHS too. The industry WILL FORCE people to change or be left out. Don't believe that? Buy a NEW release on VHS. The CEM's will stop making DVD only players to force adoption of Blu Ray and because there is NO PROFIT MARGIN in $39 DVD players.
It took 25 posts to get to the answer.

Good grief.

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