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Old 12-18-2007, 11:00 AM   #61  
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It's a games console aimed at people who play games so please don't try to persuade me or anybody else that it is something different. Media server indeed! Pleeeeease!
Do you even have the slightest clue what you are talking about? My conclusion is that you have absolutely no idea, you have just fallen in line with the same old nonsense that the PS3 isn't being used for Blu-ray, it is a game console and nobody will buy a game console unless they play games. I am not alone and in fact millions like myself have done just that. It is indeed a media server and it is much much more.

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You call it a game console. I own it and call it a media server, Blu-ray player and SACD player, the most powerful piece of hardware to play a next generation format. In terms of flexibility including processing power to decode DTS-HD MA by software, there is nothing else like it from either camp. It is a powerhouse and it is no wonder high definition enthusiasts choose it over all other players combined including all HD DVD players and all other Blu-ray players. I don't play games but I just updated my PS3 to profile 1.1 which is a Blu-ray video disc playback upgrade.

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I know it will be ignored, but I get tired hearing the same old 2 to 1 software sales repeated over and over especially since it is not 2 to 1, more like 1.5 to 1 or at best 1.8 to 1. And even that sucks since according to Chris Blu-Ray has a 8 to 1 hardware advantage, I know he says HD DVD owners buy more software, but do we actually buy 4 to 1 over Blu-Ray owners (using the BluBoyz favorite percentage of 2 to 1) and what with the hardware advantage growing closer every month, HD DVD has seen a 50% growth in the last quarter and should see the same next quarter in 2008. Wouldn't that seem to be more important to the Studios, wouldn't they actually want to sell movies and not potential movies to a customer base that has proven to buy them at such a poor percentage?
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:07 AM   #64  
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Do you even have the slightest clue what you are talking about? My conclusion is that you have absolutely no idea, you have just fallen in line with the same old nonsense that the PS3 isn't being used for Blu-ray, it is a game console and nobody will buy a game console unless they play games. I am not alone and in fact millions like myself have done just that. It is indeed a media server and it is much much more.

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Old 12-18-2007, 11:11 AM   #65  
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I know it will be ignored, but I get tired hearing the same old 2 to 1 software sales repeated over and over especially since it is not 2 to 1, more like 1.5 to 1 or at best 1.8 to 1. And even that sucks since according to Chris Blu-Ray has a 8 to 1 hardware advantage, I know he says HD DVD owners buy more software, but do we actually buy 4 to 1 over Blu-Ray owners (using the BluBoyz favorite percentage of 2 to 1) and what with the hardware advantage growing closer every month, HD DVD has seen a 50% growth in the last quarter and should see the same next quarter in 2008. Wouldn't that seem to be more important to the Studios, wouldn't they actually want to sell movies and not potential movies to a customer base that has proven to buy them at such a poor percentage?
I know you don't read well, I have seen that evidence repeatedly. I will restate my opinion, millions of the PS3's are being used for Blu-ray, not all 7.5 million. The 7.5 million I refer to as the potential market already in place since all are capable of Blu-ray playback. Read what I have repeatedy stated, I don't think it is complicated to understand. I don't know whether it is 30% of the owners that have used the PS3 for Blu-ray playback or more or less, but I do know it isn't anywhere near 0% and isn't anywhere near 100%. The current year's software sales split is in fact very close to 2-1 while the inception to date software sales is very close to 1.5-1. We have been over that before as well.

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So less than 3 in 10 are using their "Media Server" to play media! How odd!
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Do you even have the slightest clue what you are talking about? My conclusion is that you have absolutely no idea, you have just fallen in line with the same old nonsense that the PS3 isn't being used for Blu-ray, it is a game console and nobody will buy a game console unless they play games. I am not alone and in fact millions like myself have done just that. It is indeed a media server and it is much much more.

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Chris, while it is an excellent Blu-Ray player (probably the best one on the market right now) it is known that only 20% of the owners use it to own, buy and watch Blu-Ray discs. That means 80% of the market doesn't use it for what you use it for. So that 7 million PS3s equal only 1.6 million Blu-Ray players and HD DVD will easily pass the number within the next 4 to 6 months and we have 4 times the attach rate (according to the numbers you throw around) so we will see a dramatic increase and reversal of movies sales next year.

Blu-Ray has no chance of replacing DVD as the format of choice only HD DVD does and anyone who has any knowledge of the different formats would agree (except blind fanboys).
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:16 AM   #68  
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HDCP coupled with HDMI will remain to be a pain. Me resignation is that if component + toslink won't handle it, me won't watch it. If me has to use DVI, it be fine, but no benefit over component that me can see (other than a single cable). Do you notice a very slow response from anything that you use coupled with HDMI?
Yes I do. But my specific problem is that I have a CRT that's two whole years old, so it has an older implementation of HDCP over HDMI that my video card and player software don't like. I have to break it just to make it work properly, and that is a seriously crappy situation.

The only problem with using component or VGA instead of HDMI is that sometimes the player decides it's okay to downsample the resolution on you. It'll require you to use HDMI to get a full resolution image.

And HDMI does have problems like you mentioned. I love the all-digital signal path, but I hate the security system. On my friend's setup, if you switch to an HDMI source, it'll sit on a black screen with no sound for a few seconds, flash a picture with an instant of sound and freeze for a few seconds, flash another picture and freeze for a few seconds, and then finally kick in. That's if it works at all. Sometimes one component will miss a handshake signal, and it'll sit on a blank screen forever. It's so lame that hollywood can take an interconnect as cool as HDMI and insist that it be ruined with paranoid DRM. Why do we put up with it?
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:22 AM   #69  
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How many times do people have to tell you Warner can care less about PS3 sales. What they want is Stand Alone Player Sales Period. HD DVD is outselling BD SAL players by more then 5:1.

That is right, HD DVD is outselling BD by more than 5:1
lets see between you, lee,boby and a few others
there could be a sticky just on that subject.

and that may not be a bad idea,you know'' chris and his greatist hits''
the truth is these bd fanboys seem to be devloping head issues.
i think we need to set a fund when bd loses,there gonna need the help.
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Funny you brag about that, but HD DVD disc sales are pretty much in the toilet. If we have less players (BD people) how come we kick the shit out of HD DVD disc sales every week? Should tell ya something.
Now what makes you think HD DVD disc sales are in the toilet? They are outselling BD discs in Attach Rate, or you just forgot about that When are you people going to realize "RIGHT NOW" disc sales mean absolutely NOTHING. It's SAL player sales that are key for this Hi Def Industry to take off, not a bunch of PS3 fanboys buying up all the BD discs.

Warner Bros. is not a stupid studio, they have the facts right in front of them, and they should be leaning toward HD DVD by far.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:27 AM   #71  
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Chris, while it is an excellent Blu-Ray player (probably the best one on the market right now) it is known that only 20% of the owners use it to own, buy and watch Blu-Ray discs. That means 80% of the market doesn't use it for what you use it for. So that 7 million PS3s equal only 1.6 million Blu-Ray players and HD DVD will easily pass the number within the next 4 to 6 months and we have 4 times the attach rate (according to the numbers you throw around) so we will see a dramatic increase and reversal of movies sales next year.

Blu-Ray has no chance of replacing DVD as the format of choice only HD DVD does and anyone who has any knowledge of the different formats would agree (except blind fanboys).

No precise percentage of Blu-ray use by the PS3 is known. I have seen estimates of 40% and I have seen estimates of 20%. I believe it is over 40% personally, but I have no way to know. Your optimistic estimates for HD DVD are going to be way wrong, please mark this page and comeback and admit it. I did notice that your prediction that the PS3 wouldn't meet 7,000,000 by year-end was way wrong and I can tell you ahead of time that Blu-ray will have more hardware and more software sold again in 2008, only the margin is to determined.

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Chris, while it is an excellent Blu-Ray player (probably the best one on the market right now) it is known that only 20% of the owners use it to own, buy and watch Blu-Ray discs. That means 80% of the market doesn't use it for what you use it for. So that 7 million PS3s equal only 1.6 million Blu-Ray players and HD DVD will easily pass the number within the next 4 to 6 months and we have 4 times the attach rate (according to the numbers you throw around) so we will see a dramatic increase and reversal of movies sales next year.

Blu-Ray has no chance of replacing DVD as the format of choice only HD DVD does and anyone who has any knowledge of the different formats would agree (except blind fanboys).
It's great that you are thowing Factual information, but Chris Gerhard is a bone head and will just reject any fact that makes HD DVD looks good and BD look bad.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:32 AM   #73  
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Warner Bros. is not a stupid studio, they have the facts right in front of them, and they should be leaning toward HD DVD by far.
Only a check in front of Warner could cause leaning toward HD DVD.

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I am inclined to think Warner will stay neutral. They certainly don't show any signs of switching either way. In fact, they seem to relish squeezing the best features each format has to offer and making the most of them with each release.
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Old 12-18-2007, 11:37 AM   #75  
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When it comes down to the analysis of how many PS3's are actually being used for BD playback on a regular basis, you really need to look at individual BD title sales.

It may well be the 20% figure, or an even much greater percentage of PS3 owners have actually used the PS3 to watch a movie once or twice, but don't buy movies on a regular basis and have no intention to.

I mean, really, whats 20% of 7 Million? Anybody see any individual BD title that has sold close to 1.4 Million copies? Half that? Even if you add all the big BD sellers together and average them over the 7 Million units you likely won't get 20%. And except for the handful of big sellers, the rest of BD title sales are puny.
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