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Old 12-18-2007, 10:20 AM   #46  
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What's he going to do next year when Toshiba sell millions of laptops with HD DVD Drives in them? His rhetoric won't mean very much then, that's for sure.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:23 AM   #47  
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What's he going to do next year when Toshiba sell millions of laptops with HD DVD Drives in them? His rhetoric won't mean very much then, that's for sure.
So now you are claiming that people won't use the PS3 to watch HDTV but will be using a laptop computer to watch HDTV? I expect to see that silly claim, but I sure don't expect anybody with any sense to believe it. I also have yet to see any evidence that laptops with HD DVD will outsell laptops with Blu-ray drives.

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Old 12-18-2007, 10:27 AM   #48  
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How many times do people have to tell you Warner can care less about PS3 sales. What they want is Stand Alone Player Sales Period. HD DVD is outselling BD SAL players by more then 5:1.

That is right, HD DVD is outselling BD by more than 5:1
Funny you brag about that, but HD DVD disc sales are pretty much in the toilet. If we have less players (BD people) how come we kick the shit out of HD DVD disc sales every week? Should tell ya something.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:27 AM   #49  
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What we know for certain is that Warner isn't going to choose a format that has less than a million players in service, HD DVD, without receiving a big cash settlement. The nonsense that Warner will avoid Blu-ray because the players being used will often be the excellent PS3 has no credibility at all. Do you own a PS3? It works great for Blu-ray, I didn't know it until I read that repeatedly and now that I own one, I know it first hand. Once again, I hope Warner is paying attention to the obvious, there is one significant chance for HD disc sales to help the home video software market and that one chance is Blu-ray.

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In the first quote, HD DVD will by the end of the year 1 million stand-alone players sold and being used by the consumers to watch HD DVD movies, and by the 2nd quarter of 2008 maybe 1 1/2 million (and it will continue to grow after that). Right now using the percentage of PS3s that actually are used as Blu-Ray players (20%), there are 1.4 million used as such then add the 260,000 Blu-Ray stand-alones to the mix that equals 1.66 million (and there is no significant growth to that market right now) so HD DVD will pass that number easily by mid 2008 and continue to grow until it is HD DVD that will be at 2 to 1 in sales.

That is what Warner and the other studios are really looking at not how many game consoles Sony sells, now Chris repeat how all the PS3s are potential Blu-Ray players, yes they are but when the games start to arrive in 2008 finally in good numbers the disposable income will be spent on them not Blu-Ray movies and the horrible attach rate will drop even more.

As evidenced by the market, Blu-Ray has no chance at all to replace DVD, unless Sony convinces everyone in the world to stop producing DVDs and just make Blu-Ray discs only (yea that will happen).

HD DVD has always has been the better choice to replace DVD, it is a natural evolution of the same medium and is much less expensive/easy to produce and replicate and it is just as good as Blu-Ray and even better in several ways to use for watching High definition movies.
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Oh dear Chris, missed the point entirely didn't you?
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:28 AM   #51  
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So now you are claiming that people won't use the PS3 to watch HDTV but will be using a laptop computer to watch HDTV? I expect to see that silly claim, but I sure don't expect anybody with any sense to believe it. I also have yet to see any evidence that laptops with HD DVD will outsell laptops with Blu-ray drives.

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Chris, we are talking about people who bought the Toshiba hype afterall. Very easy to fool them.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:33 AM   #52  
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It's absolutely impossible to take anything Chris says seriously anymore.

You're really a parity of yourself, Chris. Do you realise that?
lol Of course not, you're too busy HATING.
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I have a question for the true Blu supporters. If at CES a couple of BD CEMs display an HD DVD player what would you think/ say? Personally I'm expecting several to show off DF players and would be a little surprized if a few HD DVD only players show up from unexpected companies. But I wouldn't rule it out at this point.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:39 AM   #54  
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What the hell are you talking about?? I want to see how many ps3 owners bought a ps3 just for the bluray player. I did but I don't buy any bluray's unless I have to. It was smart for sony to throw them out there with the ps3 but nobody is buying blu SA's. Whats your explanation buddy?? This garbage gets old, and I think you will be shocked come fri and the nielsens are announced.
Since Blu-ray software has sold far better than HD DVD software, at least one of two things must be true. Blu-ray player owners purchase much more software on average or there are more Blu-ray players being used. Which of the two do you believe is true. Personally I believe HD DVD player owners purchase more software on average but there is a huge disparity of hardware in service in favor of Blu-ray that overcomes that smaller average purchase per owner. My conclusion is several million PS3's are being used for Blu-ray video discs to account for the 2-1 sales advantage and therefore there are many more Blu-ray players in service and there is even a far greater potential since all 7.5 million PS3's can be used for Blu-ray but the tiny quantity of HD DVD players in service means HD DVD software sales has no upside potential. Therefore week after week, month after month, Blu-ray software will sell better. The PS3 is a great media server, Blu-ray player and that word will spread, I will show mine to my neighbor who will see it and mention it to his coworkers and friends.

You have to start with something to achieve something greater. HD DVD has failed to get started. If Warner makes the Blu move, HD DVD will be looked back at as a DOA format. A DOA format that had a few hundred people huffing and puffing for a couple of years online, but nothing else. I grew up on a farm and if a calf was stillborn, it would not do anything. I could shout and jump up and down and claim how beautiful that calf is but nothing will make that calf get up and start sucking on the mother's tits.

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Old 12-18-2007, 10:40 AM   #55  
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Let me explain it to you since niether Chris nor Madhatter has understood the point of my comment:-

Bundling a player with a device like a games console or a laptop computer does much to give a short term boost to the number of potential software sales in both formats but it does not reflect the biggest part of the current DVD market which is buyers with stand alone players. The future for both formats lies with stand alone hardware owners, not play station, Xbox 360 or laptop owners.

Next year Toshiba will take a big chunk out of the the lead the PS3 gave blu-ray by fitting HD DVD players to their laptops. That will go some way to erradicating the advantage Chris maintains blu-ray has over HD DVD. It won't though mean HD DVD Has won.

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I do agree that the title and reason for this entire thread was a little beneath what we should be doing on this forum.

The information in the original posting was probably true and basically what many of us have thought was true for quite some time. but the title of the thread was very close to some of the flamebait/troll like threads some of our visiting Blu-Ray members have started and truly it is beneath our dignity to repeat that kind of thread that's only reason is to make trouble in the first place.

We expect it from some of the lesser members but the regular longtime members should refrain from copying that style of posting in order to get back at them.

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Chris, we are talking about people who bought the Toshiba hype afterall. Very easy to fool them.
Hatter is begging for some attention everyone!!! He wants it, he needs it, he can't live without it!!!
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Hatter is begging for some attention everyone!!! He wants it, he needs it, he can't live without it!!!
You just gave him attention. Do what I did and put him on ignore. He is not here to add to any conversation, period. He is a troll and trouble maker. If no one responds to him, he will crawl back to BD.com where he belongs.
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Old 12-18-2007, 10:54 AM   #59  
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Let me explain it to you since niether Chris nor Madhatter has understood the point of my comment:-

Bundling a player with a device like a games console or a laptop computer does much to give a short term boost to the number of potential software sales in both formats but it does not reflect the biggest part of the current DVD market which is buyers with stand alone players. The future for both formats lies with stand alone hardware owners, not play station, Xbox 360 or laptop owners.

Next year Toshiba will take a big chunk out of the the lead the PS3 gave blu-ray by fitting HD DVD players to their laptops. That will go some way to erradicating the advantage Chris maintains blu-ray has over HD DVD. It won't though mean HD DVD Has won.
You call it a game console. I own it and call it a media server, Blu-ray player and SACD player, the most powerful piece of hardware to play a next generation format. In terms of flexibility including processing power to decode DTS-HD MA by software, there is nothing else like it from either camp. It is a powerhouse and it is no wonder high definition enthusiasts choose it over all other players combined including all HD DVD players and all other Blu-ray players. I don't play games but I just updated my PS3 to profile 1.1 which is a Blu-ray video disc playback upgrade.

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It's a games console aimed at people who play games so please don't try to persuade me or anybody else that it is something different. Media server indeed! Pleeeeease!
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