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Old 12-30-2007, 10:22 AM   #151  
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The Mac ads would be funny, if there was an ounce of truth in them.

Except for the 'cancel or allow' ads, talking about Vista. Those were hilarious, and so true.
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:30 AM   #152  
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I would say more like a pound of truth in them.

I own both types of computers and while I can easily live with the Windows based PC the MacIntosh is just better over all and cNet reviews has picked the new iMac to be the best desktop computer available right now.

I like mine because it can run both the Windows OS and Mac OS at native speeds, that means in essence it can run natively any program available for a home based computer period.

Can you name any other computer that can do this?
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:46 AM   #153  
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You can run the Mac program? Sweet!

Can you play the Mac game?
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:50 AM   #154  
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Theres a Mac game?
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Old 12-30-2007, 11:49 AM   #155  
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The Mac ads would be funny, if there was an ounce of truth in them.

Except for the 'cancel or allow' ads, talking about Vista. Those were hilarious, and so true.
I hate MAC, never liked them at all, Vista rocks IMO, providing you know how to tweak it the right way
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Old 12-30-2007, 03:16 PM   #156  
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And the verdict about which computer is best depends on what STUPID insipid games it runs.

Believe it or not kids, there are far more important things than games.

Ed, Oh hell let me just go barf in the pc.
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Old 12-30-2007, 03:30 PM   #157  
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You can run the Mac program? Sweet!

Can you play the Mac game?
I don't quite understand your meaning (inside joke?) but, yes on my iMac I can play any Mac program/game or any Windows program/game that I so desire although I'm not that much of a gamer so I only have maybe 5 games max (and I rarely play those).

I don't dislike Windows based computers like Dell or the like, I use to really like IBM computers but they no longer produce them.

I just (from over 25 years of experience) find MacIntosh computers less prone to problems and better built for the most part.

And contrary to popular belief actually a better value, my 24" iMac with everything on it is around $1000 less then the new Dell all in one which has only a 20" screen (although it is a good looking computer also).

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Old 12-30-2007, 03:54 PM   #158  
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I don't quite understand your meaning (inside joke?) but, yes on my iMac I can play any Mac program/game or any Windows program/game that I so desire although I'm not that much of a gamer so I only have maybe 5 games max (and I rarely play those).

I don't dislike Windows based computers like Dell or the like, I use to really like IBM computers but they no longer produce them.

I just (from over 25 years of experience) find MacIntosh computers less prone to problems and better built for the most part.

And contrary to popular belief actually a better value, my 24" iMac with everything on it is around $1000 less then the new Dell all in one which has only a 20" screen (although it is a good looking computer also).

I agree. I like my Windows computer (they are awesome media severs and Media Center functionality is very solid) but I prefer Macs for everyday computing. it's not that Vista is bad; just Macs are easier to work with and they have some neat stuff that Windows still lack.
I remember my days through Windows 98 and OS 9 (I hated both) and having Windows Vista and Leopard seem like a dream come true for home computers (at least to me).
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I agree. I like my Windows computer (they are awesome media severs and Media Center functionality is very solid) but I prefer Macs for everyday computing. it's not that Vista is bad; just Macs are easier to work with and they have some neat stuff that Windows still lack.
I remember my days through Windows 98 and OS 9 (I hated both) and having Windows Vista and Leopard seem like a dream come true for home computers (at least to me).

We seem to agree on this subject although it is really

And I would hate for this forum to become a hotbed of discussion and fanboyism for the computer differences, there are people that absolutely hate Apple computers and they must have never really tried them too much (if at all), if they had they could never hate them.
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I'm fine with my PC and have yet to see problems.

I never liked Mac's.
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Old 12-30-2007, 07:02 PM   #161  
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I started out Mac-based in 1984 and couldn't believe how much more I could do with a Mac than a DOS PC. The early iterations of Windows were so horrible and slow compared to the Mac, I just laughed at Microsoft's inept implementation (as a DOS Shell!) and their almost complete lack of understanding of what the Mac GUI was all about.

By the time the original translucent iMac came out, Apple didn't offer any sensible all-in-one desktop computers, so I switched to a SONY VAIO. When Apple finally got off the weirdo computer kick, I went back to Apple with the new iMac and never looked back.

Sure, I still need to use my PC for certain applications and hardware-specific situations, but not having to deal with all the viruses and driver issues has just been an absolute pleasure.
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Old 12-30-2007, 09:46 PM   #162  
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I use a Macintosh at work with the latest OS. The thing locks up at least once a day, network permissions spontaneously hose themselves, they can never get their Epson scanner working without tinkering with it each session, the OS's special effects and animations are dog slow, the open/save dialogs can't remember what folder I was just in, and every once in a while the little spinner cursor comes up as the computer decides it has more important things to do for five minutes than what I was doing. All problems I do not have with my PC at home. Yes, it's an absolute dream.

From an ex-Macintosh user that is not looking back. Come back, Gil Amelio!!



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Old 12-30-2007, 10:06 PM   #163  
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It all has to do with your personal experience.

I have a lot of hardware add-ons to my PC and keeping the drivers working and playing nicely together was basically a full-time job. Any time I added new hardware I was guaranteed of several days of trying to get everything working properly again. That was Windows 98. When I upgraded to Windows XP and everything broke, rather than spend the weeks necessary to straighten everything out, I just reverted back to Windows '98 and it's pretty stable now, as long as I don't add any new hardware or software.

While there are certain devices I can't use with my Mac, I know if it has a Firewire port or a USB port, I can just plug it in and go. I never could get my Brother all-in-one printer to work reliably with my PC, but hooking it up as a wireless printer/scanner to my Mac network using an Airport Express worked the very first time--it even worked better than using the Brother wireless print server, which didn't support network scanning for the Mac.

For my applications and in my experience, there is no comparison.
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I have a lot of hardware add-ons to my PC and keeping the drivers working and playing nicely together was basically a full-time job. Any time I added new hardware I was guaranteed of several days of trying to get everything working properly again. That was Windows 98. When I upgraded to Windows XP and everything broke, rather than spend the weeks necessary to straighten everything out, I just reverted back to Windows '98 and it's pretty stable now, as long as I don't add any new hardware or software.
Windows 98 is garbage. XP is the way to go.

One thing that annoys me about hardware manufacturers is that very often, they won't write drivers for older hardware that work with the new OS. The reason they do that is to make you buy new hardware. And whenever that happened to me, I did buy new hardware... from a different manufacturer. (nice going guys) (and quite honestly, with the cost of an entire printer being the same as the cost of a full ink refill, why not just get a new printer?)

But this has not been an issue for many years, as XP is NT based, and can use the same drivers as Windows 2000. What hardware do you have that's over ten years old?

I never spend weeks getting stuff working again. I clean install Windows about every two years out of good practice (which is far less often than I had to clean install MacOS btw), or whenever I upgrade my motherboard (another thing I can't do with a Mac), whichever comes first. Everything works and the computer settles into its final configuration in one day. XP finds the internet all by itself and it just works, and I never have to touch the network settings, giving me access to the best pool of new drivers available, in case I don't feel like dipping into my archive of previous drivers for the few things that XP doesn't install by itself. My biggest pain is reinstalling all my MS Office and Adobe software.

Vista broke everything again, and once again lots of hardware manufacturers are not supporting older hardware with Vista, but Vista is just a disaster in every respect, and adoption rates are dismal in the PC world. (The joke name for it is Windows ME Too.) It's common for people who buy a PC with Vista preinstalled to wipe the hard drive and install XP. Some manufacturers are offering the option of having XP preinstalled instead of Vista. IT departments are avoiding Vista in droves. Everyone is sticking with XP, and with good reason. It's awesome.

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Old 12-31-2007, 01:11 PM   #165  
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Like I said, it's all one's personal experience.

My PC is used for my work as an engineering consultant and is loaded with specialized hardware. I'm not talking about printers and scanners, I'm talking about data acquisition cards, video capture, test equipment control interfaces (like IEEE 488 GPIB), SCSI, Firewire, multi-point data logging, etc. This stuff just isn't always available in "new models" that play nicely with newer software.

Any time I added new hardware, I was prepared to have to debug it--I can't recall a single hardware install on my PC that went the way the manufacturer said it would and didn't require all kinds of low-level tweaking. What I didn't expect was having a new hardware install mess up a lot of the other hardware that previuosly worked and I really didn't expect the XP install to break *everything* I had previously gotten working.

As for my Macs (6 at this point, over a span of 22 years, including those used by my Wife for home and business), I never had to reload any of them, although my Wife's kitchen iMac is getting cranky after 6 years so I may have to reload it.
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