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Old 02-01-2007, 11:10 AM   #1  
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I reviewed the specs a few months ago, when I first heard about the Bluray vs. HD-DVD debacle. At that time, HD-DVD appeared to be the inferior standard.

Yeah sure, HD-DVD stores 720p/1080i, but only about 2.2 hours worth (30 gig). And only 1.1 hours of 1080p. (For comparison my D-VHS tapes store almost double that amount.) From my viewpoint, it seems like HD-DVD is an "outdated" standard before it's even started! Simply put, it's too small.

THEN I come here.
I see almost everybody here embraces HD-DVD.
And so I'm thinking maybe I'm missing out.

WHY? Why do you consider a format that only stores 30 gigabytes (even less than my D-VHS tapes) to be the "the best" standard? Why are you backing the HD-DVD horse?

Thanks. Just curious.

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Old 02-01-2007, 11:32 AM   #2  
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You really, really need to educate yourself better about the differences between the formats. From your posts, it's obvious that you know very little about HD DVD. I would suggest spending some time reading the existing threads in these forums, as all of the information is readily available. I'd also suggest not posting the same thread in multiple areas.

Here's a freebie for you to get you started on the road to knowledge:

All HD DVDs are 1080p and they can hold way more than 1.1 hours of footage (hell, King Kong was over three hours and is a reference title.) I don't know who's been feeding you this nonsense, but if you paid for the info, I'd get my money back.
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Old 02-01-2007, 12:04 PM   #3  
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I'm not a huge tech geek (sorry, I don't mean disrespect) so I consider myself just a guy who likes to watch movies. Owning a high def tv, I decided to do some research before I committed to the world of high def movies.

Right off of the bat, YES, price was a factor. Not a huge factor - initially I was going to save up gift certificates and money and get a PS3 - but it is hard to ignore a two to three hundred dollar price difference. Yes, prices will go down, so eventually it will not be as big a factor.

So what it boils down to is picture quality and sound quailty. Supposedly, HD is "inferior" because it has less storage space. However, even reviewers who were a little skeptical of HD have had to admit that the PQ and SQ of many HD movies are superb - you cannot argue with 5/5 or 10/10. To me, the argument of storgae space only becomes applicable when you are discussing movies that are super long (3+ hours) or discs that come loaded with extras. HD has already shown that the majority of movies will fit on an HD disc, along with a True HD soundtrack, and lots of extras. Yes, King Kong did not include a True HD soundtrack - but how many King Kong-length movies exist? And since I am not anal about having to get up and switch discs, I will forgive HD if a second disc has to be packaged.

Therefore, to me, the storage discussion is limited, since the majority of movies we all watch and buy clock in at well under three hours, giving HD plenty of room to provide exemplary PQ, SQ, and a welath of extras (which honestly, I rarely watch, even when I think I am going to).

So: PQ and SQ equal to Blu-Ray, plus more than enough room to include extras for those who want it (again, with the exception of super-long movies - the exception, not the norm). Price is lower. Now the hype factor: SONY clearly wins the hype and hubris battle. Delaying the release of the PS3 and increasing its cost, just to get a "trojan house" Blu-Ray player in all these households, reeks of arrogance to me. Not everyone who plays games is interested in high def movies, so to FORCE everyone who wants a PS3 to buy a Blu-Ray player is not fair, to me. SONY's repeated declaration of "victory" in the format war also reeks of arrogance, and let's not forget: Toshiba approached Sony before any players were released, in an effort to try to find a middle ground. Sony agreed - but only if that middle ground included Blu-Ray: some compromise.

Add it all up, and I am more partial to HD. Do I want Blu-Ray to die? I could care less. If it is around in a year or two, I will probably pick up a player. But how can I argue against a format that is providing PQ and SQ every bit as good as Blu-Ray, without the hype and at less cost?
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Old 02-01-2007, 12:10 PM   #4  
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Arent most BD titles only on 25 gig discs? And most HD DVD titles are on a 30 gig disc.

So lets be real, HD DVD is actually offering you more space on their discs.
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Old 02-01-2007, 12:47 PM   #5  
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HD movies rock. If somebody is into HD its easy to love HD-DVD and or blu-ray.

Not sure why you'd be at this board if you didn't like HD.
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Old 02-01-2007, 02:55 PM   #6  
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Arent most BD titles only on 25 gig discs? And most HD DVD titles are on a 30 gig disc.
30 gig HD-DVD = dual layer disc
The equivalent Bluray dual layer = 50



My viewpoint:

I'm a TV fan who buys lots of season sets. These sets clock-in at 15 hours or more of HDTV. (Example: Star Trek Enterprise.) So for me, the more space on the disc, the better because the end-product will cost less money (3 bluray discs is cheaper than 6 hd-dvd discs).

Hence my preference for Bluray.
At least for now.
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Old 02-01-2007, 03:13 PM   #7  
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WHat Superman meant by the 25GB on BD is that many of the titles are only on BD25 discs which are single layer BD discs.

So you can watch 15 hours of a series without taking a break?

Bathroom breaks at a disc change works out perfectly.
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Old 02-01-2007, 03:18 PM   #8  
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Blu-Ray ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-01-2007, 03:21 PM   #9  
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My viewpoint:

I'm a TV fan who buys lots of season sets. These sets clock-in at 15 hours or more of HDTV. (Example: Star Trek Enterprise.) So for me, the more space on the disc, the better because the end-product will cost less money (3 bluray discs is cheaper than 6 hd-dvd discs).

Hence my preference for Bluray.
At least for now.
You're living in a fantasy world if you think the BD version of any season of a TV show will be cheaper than the comparable HD DVD version. There is no data to support your theory that even if they did fit more episodes per disc on BD, that that would translate to a cheaper MSRP.

They will price them equally when they're from dual-format companies (see the Sopranos Season Six Part One set.)

Again, where do you get your info from? Your original post was filled with inaccuracies that sound like they came from a BBB.

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30 gig HD-DVD = dual layer disc
The equivalent Bluray dual layer = 50
How does this change the fact that the vast majority of titles released (and announced) on BD are on BD-25s?

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Arent most BD titles only on 25 gig discs? And most HD DVD titles are on a 30 gig disc.

So lets be real, HD DVD is actually offering you more space on their discs.
The capacity of most discs used is irrelevent. What matters is which format gives studios the option of extra space. Most HD-DVD titles are on 30 gig discs but use less then 25. Blu-Ray gives the studios the option if they want to use more HD-DVD does not.

Another thing is HD-DVD is not cheaper then Blu-Ray. All cross format titles have been the same price or cheaper then the HD-DVD versions. For example the recent The Departed release is identical on both formats but is $4 cheaper on Blu-Ray. The only area HD-DVD has a price advantage is stand alone players but to be honest stand-alones just aren't the way to go. The game console options are the cheapest option on both formats and guess what HD-DVD has no price advantage there. None.

HD-DVD is the format with less capacity, less titles, less lossless discs and no price advantage. Currently its only advantage is its IHD seems to be more devoloped then Blu-Rays BD-J. This is a very small advantage considering that Blu-Rays extra capacity can be used to neutralize it as Lionsgate has. But industry reports seem to indicate this advantage will be gone by summer and then HD-DVD will have nothing.
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Old 02-01-2007, 03:30 PM   #11  
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Most HD-DVD titles are on 30 gig discs but use less then 25.
Uh... could you prove that, please? I highly doubt that, but you wouldn't make a statement like that unless you could back it up with facts, right?

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Another thing is HD-DVD is not cheaper then Blu-Ray. All cross format titles have been the same price or cheaper then the HD-DVD versions. For example the recent The Departed release is identical on both formats but is $4 cheaper on Blu-Ray. The only area HD-DVD has a price advantage is stand alone players but to be honest stand-alones just aren't the way to go. The game console options are the cheapest option on both formats and guess what HD-DVD has no price advantage there. None.
Game consoles are better than standalones? Maybe in your format of choice, but certainly not in mine. Maybe you should be asking yourself why an over-priced game console offers more BD features than a $1500 Pioneer Elite player. That kind of shit doesn't happen with HD DVD. It's really kinda pathetic, if you think about it.

Don't forget, titles like the Departed on HD DVD offer something the comparable BD does not - an SD DVD version that can be played on all of the other players in the house. You know, for times when your mommy and daddy want to use their TV (the 1080p one you keep referring to as your own, as in "my 1080p TV...") and you're forced to watch your movies on an SDTV.
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Don't forget, titles like the Departed on HD DVD offer something the comparable BD does not - an SD DVD version that can be played on all of the other players in the house. You know, for times when your mommy and daddy want to use their TV (the 1080p one you keep referring to as your own, as in "my 1080p TV...") and you're forced to watch your movies on an SDTV.
I sure as hell don't need combos when my parents have the big TV.

1. I have over a 100 SD-DVDs for the smaller television

2. I have a computer to either post here, look up girls, or listen to Rush Limbaugh.

3. I can do homework

4. hang with friends. Yeah I got em.

Combos would offer no benefit for me which is why I am glad Blu-Ray is combo free.
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Jimmy what do you mean "more lossless" on BD. Are you talking about audio? Last I checked there were more True HD titles on HD-DVD and there is still no way to actually use True HD with BD.

What do you mean exactly?
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I sure as hell don't need combos when my parents have the big TV.

1. I have over a 100 SD-DVDs for the smaller television

2. I have a computer to either post here, look up girls, or listen to Rush Limbaugh.

3. I can do homework

4. hang with friends. Yeah I got em.

Combos would offer no benefit for me which is why I am glad Blu-Ray is combo free.
Yeah, that's great. But there are plenty of us here who do use the SD DVD side and do see the benefit of having it on the other side. We may pay a few more dollars on certain titles, but we're getting more for our money. We can take our discs in the car, on a plane, to the bedroom SDTV, etc.

The point of this was that you were making false statements. You said this:
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For example the recent The Departed release is identical on both formats but is $4 cheaper on Blu-Ray.
This is absolutely incorrect and you knew it when you typed it. They are not identical and that is why there's a price difference. You may be paying less for the BD version, buy you're also getting less.
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Blu-Ray ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for the commercial break...now back to regular programming.
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