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Old 01-10-2007, 12:37 AM   #1  
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HD-DVD backers told us Sunday they will sell 1.8 million HD-DVD players this year.

Blu-ray supporters then promised us they will release more Blu-ray movie titles and sell more players.

And two CE companies launched products designed to alleviate consumer concerns about picking the wrong high-def DVD format.

But just 36 hours after the start of the 2007 Consumer Electronics Show, it's abundantly clear that neither Blu-ray or HD-DVD are close to winning the biggest format war since Beta vs. VHS.
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Wishful thinking bro
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Really? CES is a hardware show. Which format demonstrated a bunch of new hardware?

BD used CES as a way to put out release dates for a few titles. HD DVD announced it would be releasing 300+ titles this year, then focused on what's important. We have new manufacturers for low-end (Chinese Manufacturers,) high-end (Meridian, Toshiba's XA2), and everywhere in between (including Onkyo.) We even got a BD-exclusive company to release a dual-format player, though it'll never get an HD DVD logo if HDi is left out (because unlike BD and its 3 Profiles, HD DVD doesn't dick over the consumer and actually has standards.)

BD announced a bunch of titles. Big deal. We knew there'd be a bunch of titles from each camp this year. That's a given. CES is about the new hardware and HD DVD brought their A game, while BD brought more of the same.
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Jimmy, what are you saying? Has HD-DVD conceded that they are a loser? All I Wuv HD said was there was no clear winner at the CES and thus no clear winner for the format war at the moment. What is "wishful thinking bro" mean?
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Jimmy, what are you saying? Has HD-DVD conceded that they are a loser? All I Wuv HD said was there was no clear winner at the CES and thus no clear winner for the format war at the moment. What is "wishful thinking bro" mean?
Maybe no winner yet in the war but in terms of CES coverage Blu-Ray won hands down. HD-DVD didn't announce a single exclusive title Blu-Ray announced several great titles. Playstation 3 attachment rates have been revealed and are better then even I expected. HD-DVD had nothing but a couple of new players that can't do much the previous generation couldn't. Blu-Ray won CES like Godzilla versus Bambi. However the war itself won't be over until Universal releases on Blu-Ray. Which can't be to far off.
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Maybe no winner yet in the war but in terms of CES coverage Blu-Ray won hands down. HD-DVD didn't announce a single exclusive title Blu-Ray announced several great titles. Playstation 3 attachment rates have been revealed and are better then even I expected. HD-DVD had nothing but a couple of new players that can't do much the previous generation couldn't. Blu-Ray won CES like Godzilla versus Bambi. However the war itself won't be over until Universal releases on Blu-Ray. Which can't be to far off.
Wrong Jimmy. They announced support from the adult industry and from a major Anime company. They also announced hardware from a number of manufacturers, including a company that was previously BD-only (LG.) They also announced the support of Chinese manufacturers for cheap players to come out sometime this year.

They also introduced a new triple-layer, 51GB HD DVD.

Oh, yeah - they also announced that over 300 new titles will be released on HD DVD this year alone.

As for BD? All they did was announce their titles through summer of 2007. Big deal. No innovations, no new companies, nothing. Status quo, nothing more.

You should really understand something before you comment on it - all you do is make yourself look foolish.
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Maybe no winner yet in the war but in terms of CES coverage Blu-Ray won hands down. HD-DVD didn't announce a single exclusive title Blu-Ray announced several great titles. Playstation 3 attachment rates have been revealed and are better then even I expected. HD-DVD had nothing but a couple of new players that can't do much the previous generation couldn't. Blu-Ray won CES like Godzilla versus Bambi. However the war itself won't be over until Universal releases on Blu-Ray. Which can't be to far off.
BD is making the most noise at CES with their PR spin on the war and the specific announcements on movie releases (big deal). But if you take away their BS they really haven't presented very much in substance.

But at least they made all the BD fans happy for now with the victory speeches. But I wouldn't get too exited just yet, Jimmy, because talk is cheap and HD DVD hasn't conceded yet.
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Bruce that is what marketing is about (smokescreens) and we can all agree that BD has marketing all wrapped up.

Hell, the whole format is just simple a marketing plan more than anything else.
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I think that BD overplayed their hand by declaring victory and that it will prove to be a huge embarrassment as the war will drag on without BD pulling far ahead. There IS such a thing as making too much noise and I don't mind HD DVD's low key approach at all. After the show, Universal will come out with their release schedule (and a ho-hum reaffirment of their commitment to HD DVD, after all, Uni is head of the US HD DVD division) with a lot of A titles. The HD DVD add-on, unlike the PS3, will continue to sell out everywhere. I figure over 2 million Add-on sold by the end of this year, ALL used for playing HD DVDs, of course. The HD standalones will continue to sell very well as the XA2 sets the bar for HD player exelence. HD DVD will have a sub $300 player (SRP) by this fall, maybe more than one kind. Lionsgate and Buena Vista will release on HD DVD in time for the holidays and the war will go on.

Good luck, Blu-ray!

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the whole format is just simple a marketing plan more than anything else.
I think cost is actually more important in this format war than marketing. Marketing is important, of course, but it won't be the #1 factor in my opinion.
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The HD standalones will continue to sell very well as the XA2 sets the bar for HD player exelence.
Now who is going to pay twice as much for a player(XA2)that doesn't offer twice the performance of the A2 brucey?

BTW I got that question from the HD DVD fanboy playbook, specifically PFC5. So I look forward to an attempt at any kind of response, should be amusing.

I also never gave "the question" any merit.

But I'll answer it anyways - Looks to me like in most cases the only people buying the XA2 are people who already own HD DVD players. Kinda funny that these people have already spent money on a player and are all of a sudden willing to spend $999 [(an outrageous sum) <also from the HD DVD fanboy playbook] on another HD player. Finally to top it off, this approach does nothing to increase the install base, nor promote increased software sales, because you're just selling to the same people again.

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I know several people in this forum who plan to get an XA2 (Boby and Glow-a BD fan- come to mind). I would like to have one but alas, I already have two A1s.

Now that you're here, FourK, what is your take on CES so far?
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I'm looking forward to some great forthcoming BD movies man .. duh Disney wowed me, FOX wowed me, Lionsgate gave me an erection and Sony then promptly gave me a limp-on.

I think the A20 was a stupid announcement from a timing pov. Alot of pissed off A2 owners out there. But hey I guess 1080p matters afterall...

I would've liked a $500-600 G2 BD standalone but at least the Samsung BDP-1200 is a step in the right direction. Remarkably, contrary to popular belief, HD DVD players appear to be going up in price or dropping features instead of a rush to the walmart-bin pricing arena. But the Chinese pledge appears to offset this so...
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I appreciate your candor, FourK. Are you concerned at all by any overconfidence on the part of the BDA, or are you as sure of BD's fate as they stated in their "BD Victory Inevitable" flyers? I ask because I see a lot of exited BD fans over at AVS, but I don't know how much of it was due to the muscle talk as opposed to the Studio announcements.

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I don't have the stomach for AVS, the format war sections anyway. They could try 1-800-dial-a-mod....

I'm not concerned with the BDA's confidence/overconfidence at all. It's their job to overhype their format and their belief, I just take it all in stride. Both sides are just as guilty. That's what really bothers me about some of you guys, you think it's a oneway street and clearly, to me at least, it is not.

There is no doubt alot of BD fans are excited about the software announcements, how could they not be? I'm also quite sure that a lot of BD fans were relieved to see studios stick with BD instead of going neutral. And after the constant barrage from the HD DVD side I guess a little payback is in order. It's just going to continue to ping-pong like this until one format goes away. Uni's no-title announcement (not a big deal imo) and the panic of HD DVD diehards is just fueling the flames. That's my take anyway...
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