High Def Forum - Your High Definition Community & High Definition Resource

Go Back   High Def Forum - Your High Definition Community & High Definition Resource >
Rules HDTV Forum Gallery LINK TO US! RSS - High Def Forum AddThis Feed Button AddThis Social Bookmark Button Groups

High Definition Media A place to discuss BD and UHD Content from physical and digital media

HD looks pretty bad to me

Reply
AddThis Social Bookmark Button
 
Thread Tools
Old 11-30-2006, 07:51 PM   #16  
1080 Optical Supporter
 
Type A's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Panama City, Fl
Age: 48
Posts: 2,723
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080PsF
I have very fast eyes and I see more than most people including people in my industry so I see a lot more of the problems than most. And on top of that I know what Iím looking for.
Mmmmmm, makes me glad I have just 'plain old 20/20' vision. Though HD DVD has taken some of my innocence, and shown me what is possible with my system, ignorance is still bliss
Type A is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2006, 08:05 PM   #17  
HD DVD Supporter
 

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,110
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080PsF
No I donít have HD at home because I wonít buy into the hype. I deal with HD everyday at my job and Iíve been dealing with HD for about 10 years of my 20 years in post-production. I have very fast eyes and I see more than most people including people in my industry so I see a lot more of the problems than most. And on top of that I know what Iím looking for. So for me itís OTA SD. No compression artifacts, field weaving, or temporal averaging. Iím just trying to say that the broadcasters and manufactures need to stop screwing over the general public and give the consumer real HD.
What a sad, sad existence. It must suck to never be able to just pop in a movie and enjoy it, what with your uber-sensitive awareness to all of the flaws in non-D5 presentations.

Thankfully, I've bought into the hype and have regular human eyes, so I can watch and enjoy movies in HD in the comfort of my own home.


BTW - did you have a point in your original post, or was it merely meant to condescend and insult us?
Steeb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2006, 08:10 PM   #18  
HT Frontiersman
 
borromini's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Northern California
Posts: 10,309
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080PsF
...I know this is going to piss off a lot of people...
Do you think so?
borromini is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2006, 09:12 PM   #19  
Compression Sucks
Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Monrovia, CA.
Posts: 737
Default I'm a tape monkey

BTW maicaw my actual occupation is ďManager of technical servicesĒ of a high end post house. Not only am I a ďtape monkeyĒ but I also train all of the technical people and I designed the facility that I work at. I also worked with Sony, Panasonic, and TeraNex to trouble shoot their equipment. My office is a tape room with everything from VHS to HD-CAM SR. If our tape monkeys didnít run tape than you would have nothing to watch.
At least in work in the industry maicaw not just quote some obscure findings.

Last edited by 1080PsF; 11-30-2006 at 09:23 PM..
1080PsF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2006, 09:21 PM   #20  
HD DVD Supporter
 

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,110
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080PsF
BTW maicaw my actual occupation is ďManager of technical servicesĒ of a high end post house. Not only am I a ďtape monkeyĒ but I also train all of the technical people and I designed the facility that I work at. I also worked with Sony, Panasonic, and TeraNex to trouble shoot their equipment. My office is a tape room with everything from VHS to HD-CAM SR. If our tape monkeys didnít run tape than you would have nothing to watch.

Do you fling your poo when agitated?
Steeb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-30-2006, 09:27 PM   #21  
Compression Sucks
Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Monrovia, CA.
Posts: 737
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeb
Do you fling your poo when agitated?
No just making a point.
1080PsF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 05:49 AM   #22  
High Definition is the definition of life.
 

Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Montreal
Posts: 1,095
Default

1080PsF,

You have a Video experience that most readers here don't have. But now that you have access to such a wealth, I'm sorry to say that you don't know what to do with it when you participate in Forum such as this.

Pitty... you could have been a good source to explain a few things... but no more, you lost your chance to make a good impression.
mfabien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 08:50 AM   #23  
8 Channel Lossless:-)
 

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 168
Default

Quote:
Do you fling your poo when agitated?
HTdude is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 12:07 PM   #24  
Compression Sucks
Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Monrovia, CA.
Posts: 737
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mfabien
1080PsF,

You have a Video experience that most readers here don't have. But now that you have access to such a wealth, I'm sorry to say that you don't know what to do with it when you participate in Forum such as this.

Pitty... you could have been a good source to explain a few things... but no more, you lost your chance to make a good impression.
Why is that because I donít have the same opinion as you? Donít you believe in freethinking? Or should people be like sheep? I thought that if someone would speak out that others would too. I guess I was wrong. I guess people just want the same old stuff nothing better.
1080PsF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 01:00 PM   #25  
HD Fan
 

Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Little Rock, Arkansas
Posts: 1,023
Default What did you hope to accomplish with this discussion?

1080PsF,
Everyone has a right to their opinion, as do you.

Right now we are struggling to get the high def established as the new standard. There are a lot of different opinions in this forum (BD vs HD-DVD, cable vs sattelite, etc), but until your post, I thought we all agreed that HD was better than standard def, whether we are talking about television or DVD movies.

Could high def television / dvd be better than what it is now? Sure, and some day it will be. There will be another upgrade sometime in the future. But right now, high def television / DVD is the best thing we have on the market. To me the difference from standard def, particularly when watching something like football, is stunning. It is comparable to the difference I saw switching from black & white to color television.

I think that your post hit some folks the wrong way for two reasons:
(1) It appears that because HD television is not all you think it should be (probably true) you are working against it. Not buying into the "hype". That means that in a way, you are working against everyone in this forum. People do not like that.
(2) Probably not intentional on your part, but your opening remarks seemed a little condescending in tone.

So let me ask the question that is in the heading - what did you hope to accomplish by starting this discussion? This is a sincere question - I am interested in what you have to say and your motivations.
SLedford is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 01:46 PM   #26  
Compression Sucks
Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Monrovia, CA.
Posts: 737
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SLedford
So let me ask the question that is in the heading - what did you hope to accomplish by starting this discussion? This is a sincere question - I am interested in what you have to say and your motivations.
I was hoping that some people would say I agree Iím not getting what Iím paying for. Maybe get enough people where the manufactures and broadcasters would listen. But I guess that a lot of people just want to keep paying for newer technology (but itís really the same technology just re-packaged). Slowly given to you to drain every last dollar out of you. You make a comment about how stunning the difference was when T.V. switched from B&W to color. That was a great change and when the change happened it went from B&W to color (the system did, but the programming didnít I know it took a while for everything to become color). But when you went out and bought a color T.V. it was a color T.V. It wasnít buy a RED channel T.V., then buy and RED & GREEN channel T.V. and then finally go out and buy a full color T.V. and thatís what they are doing to you now. Just like you say ďThere will be another upgrade sometime in the future.Ē

Whenever I say something doesnít look good everyone says that it probably wasnít hooked up correct. Really, on a blu-ray player isnít HDMI out to HDMI in on the monitor I donít see how even BB could get that wrong. I would love to see a set-up that is correct. Anyone?
1080PsF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 02:07 PM   #27  
HD DVD Supporter
 

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,110
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by SLedford
So let me ask the question that is in the heading - what did you hope to accomplish by starting this discussion? This is a sincere question - I am interested in what you have to say and your motivations.
He's accomplished what he hoped to with this thread - he stirred up shit. He knew exactly what he was doing when he made his condescending original post.
Steeb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 02:09 PM   #28  
HD DVD Supporter
 

Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 1,110
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080PsF
Whenever I say something doesnít look good everyone says that it probably wasnít hooked up correct. Really, on a blu-ray player isnít HDMI out to HDMI in on the monitor I donít see how even BB could get that wrong. I would love to see a set-up that is correct. Anyone?
For an expert in this field, you sure don't sound like you know a whole lot about this topic. Ever hear of calibration? Torch mode? Internal settings on a player?
Steeb is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 02:15 PM   #29  
Compression Sucks
Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Monrovia, CA.
Posts: 737
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Steeb
For an expert in this field, you sure don't sound like you know a whole lot about this topic. Ever hear of calibration? Torch mode? Internal settings on a player?
Teach me Steeb. I'm always up for learning more. That's why I'm where I'm at. I love to learn. Opps did that sound condescending. Sorry didn't mean to.

Last edited by 1080PsF; 12-01-2006 at 02:17 PM..
1080PsF is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2006, 02:22 PM   #30  
No HD? We have a problem.
 
stchman's Avatar
 

Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: St. Louis, MO
Age: 52
Posts: 2,321
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 1080PsF
I am very aware how taxing it is for the broadcasters. Instead of having a bunch of useless channels how about having less channels with better quality? For instance OTA broadcast instead of having three channels stuffed in one bandwidth use the whole bandwidth for the HD signal. For cable and satellite companies cut down on the over-all number of channels (I know you all want quantity not quality).
For OTA the FCC allows 6MHz of bandwidth. You have to compress and HD signal to fit in that alloted bandwidth. Do some homework before spouting dribble. I guess the FCC should just listed to you.

Mpeg2 is approx 10:1 compression so therefore the satellite companies would have to cut down the numner of HD channels by 10. That means DISH would have 3 instead of 30 in your grand scheme.

Blu Ray and HD-DVD players need compression to get the movie to fit. A typical HD movie with audio takes about 15G with compression not counting extras and other language audio tracks. Your "True HD" would require a 150G optical drive. Guess what? They don't exist.
stchman is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Go Back   High Def Forum - Your High Definition Community & High Definition Resource >
AddThis Social Bookmark Button
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


to HD looks pretty bad to me
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Panny plasma, HORRIBLE SD and red lines in HD sincraft Flat-Panel TVs 46 10-27-2009 11:04 PM
Super Resolution Coming To DVD Players (960P) Lee Stewart High Definition Media 3121 01-01-2009 06:03 PM
Bad Vudu [blog on Forbes.com] Nikopol High Definition Media 53 12-22-2008 10:12 AM
Review:360 HD-DVD owns PS3 blur-ray... Cygnus HD DVD Players and Discs 75 01-03-2007 08:43 PM
Comcast On-Demand HD movie dlh4599 Cable Providers 6 02-01-2006 04:45 PM
HD Lite On Dish Network? lookn4HDTV DISH Network Forum 13 01-25-2006 12:04 AM
Samsung 30" built-in HD tuner TX-P3071WH review kdogg Direct-View (tube) TVs 39 10-26-2005 04:42 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:36 PM.



Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands