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Old 07-31-2012, 09:00 AM   #46
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DEG reports are always enthusiastic. A non-enthusiastic report would be as likely as a used car salesman trying to talk you out of buying a car from him. The spin is interesting to read and all, and many will bite on it hook line and sinker, but all I really care about are the numbers.
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That old excuse?
It's not an excuse Lee. It's a fact that 13.3% IS substantial growth whether you like it (we all know you and Gizmo don't) or not.
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It's not an excuse Lee. It's a fact that 13.3% IS substantial growth whether you like it (we all know you and Gizmo don't) or not.
No, that is NOT substantial growth. If Blu-ray was 10 billion a year item, I'd say sure, that would be. But it's not. It's a pathetic 2.
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No, that is NOT substantial growth. If Blu-ray was 10 billion a year item, I'd say sure, that would be. But it's not. It's a pathetic 2.
It is very poor growth, especially in light of stronger releases than last year. But what is really bad is that fact that such anemic growth is occurring at a point when the format has less than a 25% OD market share. Furthermore, DVD itself declined by less than 10% during this period, making the growth delta between formats smaller than ever.

Normally when one format replaces another the growth delta between them grows, not shrinks.
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It is very poor growth, especially in light of stronger releases than last year. But what is really bad is that fact that such anemic growth is occurring at a point when the format has less than a 25% OD market share. Furthermore, DVD itself declined by less than 10% during this period, making the growth delta between formats smaller than ever.

Normally when one format replaces another the growth delta between them grows, not shrinks.
Yup. And what does that tell us? It tells us that people are not buying discs like they once did. And Bluray failed to inspire those sales. So OD is dying because of that. Bluray was meant to replace DVD. I can't imagine this was their idea of replacement. I mean if it was? Why go through all this trouble with the format war and throwing thier game system under the bus? It's crazy. Thats why i call Bluray a failure. I look at all of these facts.
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It's not an excuse Lee. It's a fact that 13.3% IS substantial growth whether you like it (we all know you and Gizmo don't) or not.
Dude you need to go back and refresh your memory as to what successful growth looks like. I think you've forgotten or you don't want to remember. Look at DVDs and VHS sales. They are the benchmarks. Bluray sales are probably closer to laserdisc than they are to DVD and VHS. Especially when you compare those numbers back then to today and adjust. If someone were to make two categories, DVD and VHS would be in one and Bluray and laserdisc would be in the other as far as success and sales.
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It's not an excuse Lee. It's a fact that 13.3% IS substantial growth whether you like it (we all know you and Gizmo don't) or not.
No it isn't. Especially when catalog titles are up 26%.

You keep forgetting there are over 6 million more BD PBDs now then there were a year ago and the growth is only 3%. Anyone who isn't a BD Fanboy would call that poor to non-existant growth.
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No it isn't. Especially when catalog titles are up 26%.

You keep forgetting there are over 6 million more BD PBDs now then there were a year ago and the growth is only 3%. Anyone who isn't a BD Fanboy would call that poor to non-existant growth.
All that and taking into consideration how little of the OD market Bluray has. Like Bruce pointed out earlier, Growth is already slowing to a near stop and Bluray only has 20 something percent of the market. Not good.
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All that and taking into consideration how little of the OD market Bluray has. Like Bruce pointed out earlier, Growth is already slowing to a near stop and Bluray only has 20 something percent of the market. Not good.

Right, if Blu-ray had at least a majority of the OD market before growth slowed to a crawl then I'd think nothing of it. Par for the course. But with DVD still outselling it by more that a 3 to 1 margin, then yeah I'd have to say Houston we have a problem.
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Right, if Blu-ray had at least a majority of the OD market before growth slowed to a crawl then I'd think nothing of it. Par for the course. But with DVD still outselling it by more that a 3 to 1 margin, then yeah I'd have to say Houston we have a problem.
Would one of these guys please explain why they see this as a good thing? Or why they don't see it as a problem. I don't get that and I honestly think they are dismissing these things because they want to ignore bad things about Bluray.
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Dude you need to go back and refresh your memory as to what successful growth looks like. I think you've forgotten or you don't want to remember. Look at DVDs and VHS sales. They are the benchmarks. Bluray sales are probably closer to laserdisc than they are to DVD and VHS. Especially when you compare those numbers back then to today and adjust. If someone were to make two categories, DVD and VHS would be in one and Bluray and laserdisc would be in the other as far as success and sales.
Benchmarks? You're comparing the most successful home video formats in history to BD. That's like comparing every U.S. president to Reagan. It's like expecting a Ford Bronco to get the same MPG as a Geo Metro. It's simply not going to happen. Not to mention that VHS and DVD were the first affordable home video formats in human history.

Is BD going to do what VHS or DVD did/has done in terms of penetration, dollars made, or units sold? Probably not. However, that DOES NOT make it a failure.
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No it isn't. Especially when catalog titles are up 26%.

You keep forgetting there are over 6 million more BD PBDs now then there were a year ago and the growth is only 3%. Anyone who isn't a BD Fanboy would call that poor to non-existant growth.
No, the growth over last year is 13% the difference between growth in 2011 H1 and 2012 H1 is 3%. It's not the same thing.

If BD sold 1,000,000,000 in H1 2011 it grew 13% to 1,130,000,000 for H1 2012 , not 1,030,000,000 which is what 3% growth would be.

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Benchmarks? You're comparing the most successful home video formats in history to BD. That's like comparing every U.S. president to Reagan. It's like expecting a Ford Bronco to get the same MPG as a Geo Metro. It's simply not going to happen. Not to mention that VHS and DVD were the first affordable home video formats in human history.

Is BD going to do what VHS or DVD did/has done in terms of penetration, dollars made, or units sold? Probably not. However, that DOES NOT make it a failure.
Ummm they are the only benchmarks we have. How else are you determining Blurays success? Are you saying its successful because you like the color of the case? Are saying its successful because you can find it in a lot of stores? Well hey! If I had enough money I could bronze my turn from last night and put it on the shelves of every Walmart and Bestbuy out there. And you know what? That doesn't make it a success. How about I bundle that bronze turd with every Bluray player that streams and plays DVDs? Is it a success now?

Please, you need to judge it by how well the product sells. How profitable it is and how well it is doing compared to similar products before it. Just because the studios and CE can throw money trying to get you to buy a product does not make it a success. So far that's been a lot of what we have seen. And even with that the sales numbers are poor. The only person you have convinced is yourself. But blind love will do that to some. Like the parents of a killer who defend him to the end saying he was a good boy. Sheesh!
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Ummm they are the only benchmarks we have. How else are you determining Blurays success? Are you saying its successful because you like the color of the case? Are saying its successful because you can find it in a lot of stores? Well hey! If I had enough money I could bronze my turn from last night and put it on the shelves of every Walmart and Bestbuy out there. And you know what? That doesn't make it a success. How about I bundle that bronze turd with every Bluray player that streams and plays DVDs? Is it a success now?

Please, you need to judge it by how well the product sells. How profitable it is and how well it is doing compared to similar products before it. Just because the studios and CE can throw money trying to get you to buy a product does not make it a success. So far that's been a lot of what we have seen. And even with that the sales numbers are poor. The only person you have convinced is yourself. But blind love will do that to some. Like the parents of a killer who defend him to the end saying he was a good boy. Sheesh!
Whatever makes you sleep better at night, but being a true film fan I'd rather have my films in highest resolution possible. All I am saying is that it's not a fair or accurate comparison in any sense. As I said above BD will probably not do what DVD or VHS has done, but that does not make it a failure.
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No, the growth over last year is 13% the difference between growth in 2011 H1 and 2012 H1 is 3%. It's not the same thing.
And that is what I was getting at. The difference between H1 2011 and H1 2012 = 3%
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