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Old 02-07-2012, 04:58 AM   #1426  
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Like I said, if we see more and more that other titles get the same treatment with a DVD only delay them someone must think its making more money now or in the future or else the studios would not continue doing it.

Disney for example must think the concept works for their new to Blu-ray classic animation releases as they have done it now for that class of titles for many years now all the way back to Snow White.
Yep.

Disney, and others, want blu-ray to succeed so they can collect money on sales of other companies products (i.e. make money from doing nothing).

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The BD4C Patent Licensing Group (“BD4C”) is organized by the following six members and offers a portfolio license to all of the essential patents owned or controlled by the six members for players, recorders, drives, encoders, decoders and discs implementing the BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-R, BD-RE and BD/DVD hybrid formats, as applicable, including any of the foregoing BD products that incorporate DVD functionality:

•Disney Enterprises, Inc.
•Mitsubishi Electric Corporation
•The Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York
•Thomson Licensing (S.A.S)
•Toshiba Corporation
•Warner Bros. Home Entertainment Inc.

All companies that practice these patents, including in the manufacture of players, recorders, drives, encoders, decoders and discs, must be licensed. BD4C Joint Patent Licensing Program offers an efficient means to be licensed and, therefore, to avoid patent infringement, by offering a package of essential patents owned or controlled by the six members. The members of BD4C have authorized Toshiba to grant portfolio licenses on their behalf. Thomson assists the licensing activities on a regional basis in Europe and Africa. Toshiba also acts as the regional licensing representative for North and South America, Asia (including Japan), Oceania and the Middle East.

Interested parties are also free to negotiate individual license agreements separately, rather than taking a single portfolio license, with each of the six companies, which have committed to provide such licenses for their respective essential patents under fair, reasonable and non-discriminatory terms and conditions.
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Old 02-07-2012, 06:37 AM   #1427  
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After the call for patents made by One-Blue in October 2009, more than 15 essential patent holders have been participating in discussions about the launch of the licensing program.

The current licensors are:
•Cyberlink Corporation
•Dell Global B.V.
•Fujitsu Limited
•Hewlett-Packard Company
•Hitachi Consumer Electronics Ltd.
•JVC KENWOOD Corporation
•Koninklijke Philips Electronics N.V.
•LG Electronics Inc.
•Panasonic Corporation
•Pioneer Corporation
•Samsung Electronics Company Ltd.
•Sharp Corporation
•Sony Corporation
•Taiyo Yuden Company Ltd.
•Yamaha Corporation
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Yep.

Disney, and others, want blu-ray to succeed so they can collect money on sales of other companies products (i.e. make money from doing nothing).

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So Mike, when I purchase a BD-R some of the money is going to companies like Disney due to their patents and liscensing?
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This probably deserves its own thread, but was not sure if it was appropriate in this forum.

This is great news for the industry...



http://www.deadline.com/2012/02/mgm-...make-tvmovies/
Yes it is and with a new Bond and Hobbit films on the horizon hooray for MGM!
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:54 AM   #1430  
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So Mike, when I purchase a BD-R some of the money is going to companies like Disney due to their patents and liscensing?
Yep.

This one would apply to blu-ray players, and any blu-ray discs that incorporate BD+.


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BD+ Technologies, LLC is a joint venture between Panasonic Corporation, Sony Corporation and Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation that was formed in 2006 for the purpose of licensing the specification for BD+ content protection technology. The BD+ technology provides an additional layer of content protection for High-Definition movies and other high-value content released on Blu-ray Discs. Visit www.bdplusllc.com for further information.

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I looked at the Blu-ray top 20 for this last reporting week, as well as the matching week for last year, in order to determine the percentages of unit sales from each of three groups:

1) new releases
2) recent releases (2-4 weeks old)
3) older releases (5+ weeks old)

For the week ending 1/29/12 and 1/30/11, here are the percentages for each. Totals will add up to 100% for each year:

Year: new release / recent release / older release
2012: 66.9% / 15.0% / 18.1%
2011: 74.1% / 8.4% / 17.5%
difference between 2012 and 2011: -7.2% / 6.6% / 0.6%

For example, the 66.9% above means that 66.9% of top 20 unit sales were from new releases, while 15.0% were from recent (2-4 weeks old) releases. The remaining 18.1% were from older (5+ weeks old) releases.

Generally speaking, the higher the percentage for new releases, the stronger that week is for new titles.

The new release strength was greater for 2011 than for this year, but not by a large amount. The recent release strength was greater for this year, while the older releases (the "carry over" strength) was almost a wash, slightly favoring this year.

I'll probably end up doing this on a weekly basis, and later we can gauge what is "normal" for each of the three categories. Thanks to Cakefoo for the inspiration.

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Here are ratios (percentages) for the week before, week ending 1/22/12 and matching week 1/23/11.

Year: new release / recent release / older release
2012: 33.0% / 30.2% / 36.8%
2011: 35.1% / 24.7% / 40.2%
difference between 2012 and 2011: -2.1% / 5.5% / -3.4%

As you can see, the new release strength was much lower than the most recent week, which makes sense since the box office strength was much higher (for the most recent week).

The differences here, between 2012 and 2011, are not so great in any of the three categories. The only notable differences are the recent releases being relatively stronger for 2012, and the older releases (carry over) being stronger for 2011.
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Interesting Bruce. Glad I could help stimulate some further analysis.

Oh, and did anyone see what I was talking about when I said that the box office power is not always representative of the home video sales potential?

Despite the favorable box office YOY, 2012 new releases accounted for fewer unit sales.

1,568,000 in 2011
1,150,000 in 2012

2012 BO looks inflated because the Paranormal Activity series has always sold fewer discs than its BO indicates. Also the combo exclusivity window did NOT help sales of the Blu-ray.

2011 BO makes the new releases look weaker than they are- Girl Who Kicked the Hornets nest was a limited release, and Open Season 3 and Dead Space were both direct to video releases.

We should see somewhat of a reverse impact the week of February 8th, when Paranormal Activity 2 came out in 2011.
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Away from a computer right now but there are rumors of Amazon and VerizonLaunching a stand alone service. Could be big news!
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Yes big news indeed! Please post more info when you get a chance PS!
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Away from a computer right now but there are rumors of Amazon and VerizonLaunching a stand alone service. Could be big news!
Google shows nothing like that. But they do show this:

Amazon to Open Retail Store in Seattle: Report

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Misheard... sorry. It is Amazon and Viacom putting together a deal.

So more content for Prime, but not quite the same impact as an Amazon/Verizon deal would be.
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There is also big news on the Apple TV front, but those posts keep getting moved.

Too bad. I can just about guarantee that more HD content will be watched from those devices than Blu-ray in the coming years.
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There is also big news on the Apple TV front, but those posts keep getting moved.
Apple TV has nothing to do with discs. You are just mad because no one visits the area where the posts get moved to. I guess interest in streaming is low. No one visits that section. You want to make this section your personal digital pulpit. You aren't fooling anyone.

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Too bad. I can just about guarantee that more HD content will be watched from those devices than Blu-ray in the coming years.
Can you "just about" guarantee that? You can guarantee people will spend $1500 on a 42" TV, and then spend the extra $1-2 to rent the HD version instead of the SD version? When the difference on a 42" TV might not be very discernible?

I don't doubt some iSheep will fall head over heals for this product, but Best Buy had a 42" TV for $199 on Black friday. Apple TV is $99. For $300 one could have gotten almost the same experience as this new TV will supposedly offer.

How much HD content is viewed with Apple TVs right now? They've sold millions of units.

I thought people only used bluray players to stream Netflix anyway? And no doubt, Netflix in HD. That's a lot of HD content, right?

I can "just about" guarantee you are full of it.

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There is also big news on the Apple TV front, but those posts keep getting moved.

Too bad. I can just about guarantee that more HD content will be watched from those devices than Blu-ray in the coming years.
They were moved to the flat panel TV forum because the Apple TV is a flat panel TV and not HD physical media or EST.

That forum sees a lot of activity, but if you really want to discuss it here, you can do it in this thread (for lack of a dedicated "catch all" or otherwise off forum topic thread).

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