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Old 01-05-2012, 10:22 AM   #916  
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I see tons of Netflix and "rent now on VOD - before Netflix and Redbox" commercials. I've seen them for years.

Vudu is advertised at Walmart. Do many people shop at Walmart?

The fact is Vudu has been selling movies since 2008. For some perspective - 2008 is the same year the format war ended. 2008 is the first year of mainstream Netflix streaming. 2008 is the first year iTunes added videos. Is bluray an infant? Netflix streaming? iTunes?

Vudu is on what 20M+ PS3s? And now about 30M xboxs? In addition to bluray players and TVs? And they even have an iOS app too right? I hear those iPads are quite popular...

Millions and millions of devices serve Vudu to people - and yet they sold $21M worth of videos in the first 9 months of 2011. There is no way that is good, even for a supposed "infant" that just happens to be on tens of millions of devices.
Your like the little engine that could! I know your angry with Blu-ray peaking, but damn...never seen someone so angry over VOD/EST sales.
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Old 01-05-2012, 10:27 AM   #917  
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Your like the little engine that could! I know your angry with Blu-ray peaking, but damn...never seen someone so angry over VOD/EST sales.
Is this the kind of comments one makes when they have nothing to actually contribute to the discussion?

What purpose did this comment serve??? Seems trollish...
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Old 01-05-2012, 10:58 AM   #918  
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Was there not up and down years in the box office for DVD? There must have been. How did it affect that format? Oh wait! DVD actually had incredible growth.
DVD had incredible growth, not just in sales, but in catalog growth. So after 4 or 5 years they had so much content available that it wasn't so dependent on new releases as Blu-ray is. Depth of format was/is the life blood of DVD, while new releases are the life blood of Blu-ray.

It's a new release format. Always has been and always will be. Have a bad release week and sales go down the toilet. Isn't the way with DVD, never has been.

And contrary to what some are saying, box office has been flat the last nine months, only down 1.3%. Blu-ray sales have been up only 21.3% since that time. Based on that, I expect next year to be worse.
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Old 01-05-2012, 11:39 AM   #919  
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Is this the kind of comments one makes when they have nothing to actually contribute to the discussion?
What purpose did this comment serve??? Seems trollish...
Whats trollish is that you register here under an alias from your HDD name. Your not fooling anyone which is why I won't be replying to your posts.
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Millions and millions of devices serve Vudu to people - and yet they sold $21M worth of videos in the first 9 months of 2011. There is no way that is good, even for a supposed "infant" that just happens to be on tens of millions of devices.
Of course. Vudu is perceived by consumers as a proprietary streaming service. As such, there is no way they will fork over $20 (about the same cost as purhasing a blu-ray) to purchase "the rights" to stream a movie from a proprietary service - even Apple. They effectively give Vudu money, and receive not even a download in return.

Add to that the fact that Vudu titles will stream to some blu-ray players, but not others. Or it won't play on Android devices, or Roku boxes. Roku is a proprietary service, not a format.

And on some devices (PCs for example) - that $20 you fork over for an HD streaming movie, will only be displayed in SD. Studios are so afraid of piracy that they limit the Vudu experience.

Ironically, those who purchase blu-rays have no such limitations; they simply pay a few dollars, and create their own digital HD files that can be reformatted and played anywhere. Which is why Hollywood has been scratching their heads since 2008, trying to figure out what to do.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:44 PM   #921  
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Whats trollish is that you register here under an alias from your HDD name. Your not fooling anyone which is why I won't be replying to your posts.
HDD name? Western Digital? Seagate? Lacie?

Please don't reply to my posts. I don't have time to read through snarky remarks.
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Of course. Vudu is perceived by consumers as a proprietary streaming service. As such, there is no way they will fork over $20 (about the same cost as purhasing a blu-ray) to purchase "the rights" to stream a movie from a proprietary service - even Apple. They effectively give Vudu money, and receive not even a download in return.

Add to that the fact that Vudu titles will stream to some blu-ray players, but not others. Or it won't play on Android devices, or Roku boxes. Roku is a proprietary service, not a format.

And on some devices (PCs for example) - that $20 you fork over for an HD streaming movie, will only be displayed in SD. Studios are so afraid of piracy that they limit the Vudu experience.

Ironically, those who purchase blu-rays have no such limitations; they simply pay a few dollars, and create their own digital HD files that can be reformatted and played anywhere. Which is why Hollywood has been scratching their heads since 2008, trying to figure out what to do.
Steam is proprietary and people love it.

And once again, people also love Apple. You keep acting as if they don't but they do. Clearly just a means to deflect from why digital movies sales are so poor across the board.

And Roku is merely a fancy coagulator of free or subscription media services. Not sure why they were even brought up.
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:50 PM   #923  
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I see tons of Netflix and "rent now on VOD - before Netflix and Redbox" commercials. I've seen them for years.

Vudu is advertised at Walmart. Do many people shop at Walmart?

The fact is Vudu has been selling movies since 2008. For some perspective - 2008 is the same year the format war ended. 2008 is the first year of mainstream Netflix streaming. 2008 is the first year iTunes added videos. Is bluray an infant? Netflix streaming? iTunes?

Vudu is on what 20M+ PS3s? And now about 30M xboxs? In addition to bluray players and TVs? And they even have an iOS app too right? I hear those iPads are quite popular...

Millions and millions of devices serve Vudu to people - and yet they sold $21M worth of videos in the first 9 months of 2011. There is no way that is good, even for a supposed "infant" that just happens to be on tens of millions of devices.
I don't think it's good either. But I don't think it's been the focus just yet. And why would it? Physical is the studios bread and butter. Plus some of the older studio heads have said they don't want to see that change on thier watch. I think Digital could be the ticking time bomb. It just hasn't gone off yet. You plugging your ears won't stop the ticking. funny how you give poor Bluray growth a pass but are so critical of digital.
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funny how you give poor Bluray growth a pass but are so critical of digital.
When have I given bluray sales a "pass". Maybe you have me mixed up with someone else.

$400M in EST for the first 6 months of 2011 cannot be labeled as anything other than an outright failure in light of the multitude of services so common in tens of millions of US households, in particular iTunes and xbox.

iPads are hotter than the sun - why aren't people buying movies for their iPads??? No one here apparently has the balls to answer the question honestly. All I ever get is "cross-industry support" and "DRM/proprietary" excuses. No one can prove DRM hurts sales.

APPLE DOMINATES THE ENTERTAINMENT AND ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY. There is no debate. They should be selling more movies. Why aren't they?

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APPLE DOMINATES THE ENTERTAINMENT AND ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY. There is no debate. They should be selling more movies. Why aren't they?
I don't know, but if I were the studios I would be very worried.

Actually I do know. People don't feel like paying more for crap. Like you said apple dominates the entertainment industry. Entertainment has changed. They are spending all their free time online surfing the net. How are the studios going to make a buck off that? Simple they won't. They failed to change with the times.
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APPLE DOMINATES THE ENTERTAINMENT AND ELECTRONICS INDUSTRY. There is no debate. They should be selling more movies. Why aren't they?
Because there is a very limited market for consumers buying EST movies.

The number of available devices means nothing when you look at sales numbers. A good example are DVD players - in over 100M households yet a big selling title is 12M units.
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Whats trollish is that you register here under an alias from your HDD name. Your not fooling anyone which is why I won't be replying to your posts.
The fact that the alias is likely a sock puppet for a known identity is why I don't respond to that poster.
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The fact that the alias is likely a sock puppet for a known identity is why I don't respond to that poster.
More like I present data and facts that you don't like so you see fit not to respond in order to avoid having to answer the tough questions surrounding EST.
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Steam is proprietary and people love it.
And Adobe sells tons of software online. People love it. But so what. Has nothing to do with sales of audio and video.

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And once again, people also love Apple.
People love downloading DRM free MP3s from iTunes.

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You keep acting as if they don't but they do. Clearly just a means to deflect from why digital movies sales are so poor across the board.
It is like I am talking to a brick wall. PEOPLE WILL NOT BUY DRM'd VIDEO FROM A SINGLE SOURCE COMPANY! I cannot help that you don't think that is an issue.

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And Roku is merely a fancy coagulator of free or subscription media services. Not sure why they were even brought up.
They were brought up as an example of the huge number of hardware devices that DO NOT STREAM VUDU.

And if you buy Vudu movies, and Vudu decides to jack up prices, or they piss you off for some reason, then you are stuck with a library of purchased movies on a service that you hate.

Consumers want standards when it comes to digital distribution. They want "safe". They want competition.

If you hate that answer, I can't help that.
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And Adobe sells tons of software online. People love it. But so what. Has nothing to do with sales of audio and video.
Actually it proves if people really like a product from a company they will buy it regardless of DRM.

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People love downloading DRM free MP3s from iTunes.
Is that why iTunes music sales have decreased since they removed DRM??? Look it up. And once again I challenge you to show me DRM decreases sales. You wont be able to find absolute proof - in fact you will find services like Steam which have DRM and are hugely popular.

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It is like I am talking to a brick wall. PEOPLE WILL NOT BUY DRM'd VIDEO FROM A SINGLE SOURCE COMPANY! I cannot help that you don't think that is an issue.
A few days ago you said most people don't know what DRM is. Yet you still say it is the #1 reason for poor digital sales.

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Consumers want standards when it comes to digital distribution. They want "safe". They want competition.

If you hate that answer, I can't help that.
iTunes is safe. Apple is safe. Yet still - sales lack.

Apple is known and trusted worldwide.

UV isn't even available in Canada yet is it?
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