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Old 12-30-2011, 10:18 AM   #751  
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iTunes is still dominant, and since iPads attract a mass market crowd, iTunes is still #1, as the iPad is #1.
And? As I said,m there are other ways to watch films/tv without iTunes

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Then there is Netflix. For $7.99, Netflix isn't saving the industry.
Presenting old movies/films that have next to know 'value' to the studios and actually getting money for it is working for many studios. Otherwise why would they continue to do it?

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UV currently is free with a disc purchase, and not contributing any money.
Well if that's the case, Blu-ray is free to. We have no idea if people buying the Combo packs are doing it for the Blu-ray, DVD, DC or UV Copy. Period. You assuming it's "free" means I assume every BD Combo pack makes the BD "free".

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Vudu? via web browser? I don't think that is bringing in much $$ via tablets.
VLC. Lots of Apps to stream content from your TV to your iPad. HBO Go etc.

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A lot of tablets also have their own media store. How much are they making?
Don't know, don't care.

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With the millions of tablets sold surely we should see a noticeable increase in home video $$ coming from tablets. Is there ANY evidence of this?

It's great to sell millions of tablets, but unless you can show me they have significantly impacted home video by increasing sales/rentals, then they can be viewed as failing to significantly contribute to the home video industry.
Studios are clearly pimping UV. They see a future with them. Discs are losing billions each year. Blu-ray is practically peaking right now.
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Old 12-30-2011, 10:26 AM   #752  
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And? As I said,m there are other ways to watch films/tv without iTunes
Yeah, but most people use iTunes. Apple is a mass market product that attracts mass marker customers.

I am not talking about the 1% of uber nerds.

I am talking about the 40 year old businessman in the airport. The soccer mom at soccer practice.

And even if these other ways are more widely used, if they don't contribute $$ - then the studios lose out.

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Presenting old movies/films that have next to know 'value' to the studios and actually getting money for it is working for many studios. Otherwise why would they continue to do it?
It is a valuable extra $$ stream - but still hasn't grown home video since inception has it?

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Well if that's the case, Blu-ray is free to. We have no idea if people buying the Combo packs are doing it for the Blu-ray, DVD, DC or UV Copy. Period. You assuming it's "free" means I assume every BD Combo pack makes the BD "free".
If you say so. Given that UV is about 3 months old, and most people have no clue what in the hell it is, I think it is fair to say that the disc, either bluray or DVD, is the reason for purchase.

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VLC. Lots of Apps to stream content from your TV to your iPad. HBO Go etc.
How much $$ are those making? Isn't this about saving Hollywood?

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Studios are clearly pimping UV.
Is that why I can't even buy UV on its own?

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They see a future with them.
They saw a future with HD DVD too. Sometimes things don't always work out.

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Discs are losing billions each year.
DVDs, yes.

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Blu-ray is practically peaking right now.
Practically? Until it does, it remains one of the few things actually growing.
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WTF do you think everyone is doing with their ipads and smartphones? They are not buying and watching movies. They are surfing the net. You have heard about the internet right? Its the number 1 time consumer. The internet is responsible for the majority of lost revenue for the entertainment dollar. There is only so many hours a day you have free time and it is spent online!!!
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One would think that with exploding tablet and smartphone sales, that digital sales would also start rising significantly.
This is all I am saying.

If tablets are contributing so much to home video we should see tons of new $$ for home video.
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WTF do you think everyone is doing with their ipads and smartphones? They are not buying and watching movies. They are surfing the net. You have heard about the internet right? Its the number 1 time consumer. The internet is responsible for the majority of lost revenue for the entertainment dollar. There is only so many hours a day you have free time and it is spent online!!!
Don't tell me.

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...Yet tablet sales are through the roof. Nahh, those $500+ iPads are all being used for work. No one would ever buy them for games and/or watch movies on. No, never. Why do you think we have UV? For those damn tablets (and phones). Discs are cumbersome.
Tell him. He seems to think tablets are contributing to movie consumption - "through the roof".
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This is all I am saying.

If tablets are contributing so much to home video we should see tons of new $$ for home video.
Netflix. Hulu. HBO Go.

Do those get counted anywhere in any numbers we've seen?

If not...why? They are not digital?
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Old 12-30-2011, 10:45 AM   #757  
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Don't tell me.



Tell him. He seems to think tablets are contributing to movie consumption - "through the roof".
First part of my quote is in regards to everyone thinking BD sales are down because of the economy. False because expensive tablets are second.

The second part is very true. But as I said, not everyone uses the iTunes ecosystem. I'm watching episodes of Community right now on my iPad and it's not from iTunes.
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One would think that with exploding tablet and smartphone sales, that digital sales would also start rising significantly. But I think that just goes to show that people don't want to pay for content to watch on the road, but rather on their big screen at home.
I agree.

We certainly saw streaming consumption skyrocket with Netflix when their OTT presence increased.

The relative lack of success of the Apple TV is a limiting factor for iTunes as they don't have a great OTT story.

I think the OTT factor is one of the reasons why Vudu has seen strong growth.
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Netflix. Hulu. HBO Go.

Do those get counted anywhere in any numbers we've seen?

If not...why? They are not digital?
Subscriptions services have failed to grow home video to peak DVD levels.

Studio need SALES to do that, which is why they invented UV.
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We certainly saw streaming consumption skyrocket with Netflix when their OTT presence increased.
But yet home video is still in the pits.

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The relative lack of success of the Apple TV is a limiting factor for iTunes as they don't have a great OTT story.
Apple TV dominates STB sales.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2385697,00.asp

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I think the OTT factor is one of the reasons why Vudu has seen strong growth.
iTunes dominates Vudu.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2011/04...-wal-mart.html

Vudu could grow 10 fold and still be less than iTunes.
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Subscriptions services have failed to grow home video to peak DVD levels.
Nothing will do that. Consumer's habits have changed due to cheap rentals from Redbox, BBi and Netflix

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Studio need SALES to do that, which is why they invented UV.
They are HOPING that UV will increase sales. No guarantee whatsoever. They are IMO, swimming against the current because of the above.
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Nothing will do that. Consumer's habits have changed due to cheap rentals from Redbox, BBi and Netflix

They are HOPING that UV will increase sales. No guarantee whatsoever. They are IMO, swimming against the current because of the above.
There will likely be a broad combination of offerings. For example, Netflix 2011 domestic revenue will likely end up being about a billion dollars more than BD sell-through revenue. And at BDs current sell through pace and projections, it will likely never generate as much Home Video rental in a year as Netflix.

So yes, there is a shift in how/what consumers are spending there.


UltraViolet will have a direct contribution, but we really won't be able to have any meaningful gauge of what that will be until at least of year of it impacting EST (and to date, it has not counted at all to EST). It could be significant, or it could be like BD where it always trails other Home Video options.
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UltraViolet will have a direct contribution, but we really won't be able to have any meaningful gauge of what that will be until at least of year of it impacting EST (and to date, it has not counted at all to EST). It could be significant, or it could be like BD where it always trails other Home Video options.
What is the UV plan for selling catalog?

Or will it be a new release heavy format?
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What is the UV plan for selling catalog?

Or will it be a new release heavy format?
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“Unlike what we’ve done historically with digital copy, we’re releasing UltraViolet copyrights for all physical product, all Blu-rays, all DVDs, from here on out,” Warner’s Herz said.

He predicted that by the third or fourth quarter of 2012, significantly more than 50% of Warner’s catalog will have UltraViolet rights attached.
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There are some people who seem to have a very strong opinion that sell through will decline without any replacement.

I disagree with that assessment, but it does bring up an interesting scenario.


We all know OD sell through is declining rapidly, including signs up Blu-ray plateauing. The assertion of some is that no sell through model will be able to show overall sell through growth.

If that is true and the current models continue to grow, would that make Netflix become the single largest source of revenue for Home Video in the US?


Personally I don't think that is the case and that sell through will find a way to grow again. The question is how low will the bottom be as OD continues its descent.

But for those asserting that sell through is in permanent decline: Do you believe that Netflix will become the largest single source of Home Video revenue in the US for the studios?
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