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Old 12-25-2011, 03:48 PM   #676  
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And your point is?
that counting all of digital sales as some individual game purchase or as completely separate from disc is inaccurate.

buying a new skin for a game i bought on disc counts as digital but is merely an in-game costume change for $.99.
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Old 12-25-2011, 04:09 PM   #677  
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that counting all of digital sales as some individual game purchase or as completely separate from disc is inaccurate.

buying a new skin for a game i bought on disc counts as digital but is merely an in-game costume change for $.99.
SO. The game studios still get that revenue. Don't see where you going with this.

Seems to me like your trying to pick and chose what should be counted as gaming revenue. You cant do that. Its not your choice what gets counted or not.
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Old 12-25-2011, 04:12 PM   #678  
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SO. The game studios still get that revenue. Don't see where you going with this.

Seems to me like your trying to pick and chose what should be counted as gaming revenue. You cant do that. Its not your choice what gets counted or not.
Don't worry about it. It's all digital $$.

But treating the millions made from people buying $.99 bazooka and costume add-ons isn't the same as an actual standalone digital game sale IMO.
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Old 12-26-2011, 12:51 PM   #679  
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Default Box office comparison since Q1

After the box office power for OD titles got off to a bad start in the first quarter, it has stabilized. For the last 3 quarters of the year, it is down only 1.76% from 2010.

Therefore, it makes it an even comparison for revenue between the two periods, because the box office factor is nearly a wash. Let's see what HMM and DEG have the YoY percentage gain after the last 3 weeks of this year unfold.

Q2-4 2011: $7819.5 down 1.8%
Q2-4 2010: $7963.7

Q4 2011: $3698.4 down 5.9%
Q4 2010: $3932.2

Q3 2011: $1806.3 up 12.2%
Q3 2010: $1609.5

Q2 2011: $2314.8 down 4.4%
Q2 2010: $2422.0
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Old 12-26-2011, 02:26 PM   #680  
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Q1 2011: $2116.5 down -25.92%
Q1 2010: $2857.2

You can also add Q1 in that chart for completeness.

That's obviously a huge factor in the YoY metrics.
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You can also add in Star Wars as it is the biggest Franchise in the world to come out on OD. That should count as well in the 3rd quarter.

That is the major reason why it was up big in the 3rd quarter. Oh and Jurassic Park trilogy as well. Kinda of keeps things in perspective.
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Q1 2011: $2116.5 down -25.92%
Q1 2010: $2857.2

You can also add Q1 in that chart for completeness.

That's obviously a huge factor in the YoY metrics.
I want to compare apples and apples box office power vs YoY sales. Using that 39 week period of nearly identical box office provides me with that opportunity. That is the purpose.

If I add in Q1, then we just have the chart above that I've been using all year. Anybody can see that now, so I don't see the point in your suggestion.
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You can also add in Star Wars as it is the biggest Franchise in the world to come out on OD. That should count as well in the 3rd quarter.

That is the major reason why it was up big in the 3rd quarter. Oh and Jurassic Park trilogy as well. Kinda of keeps things in perspective.
Speaking of keeping things in perspective, let's look at this so called "Avatar effect".

The top 3 titles of Q2 in 2011: HP7.1, Tron: Legacy and True Grit, sold 90% of what Avatar did on DVD in the first week(using TN units), while having only 85% of the box office power. When those are converted into approximate Blu-ray units (with the help of Nielsen First Alert ratios), those 3 titles actually sold more than Avatar did (first week sales). For sales generated by those titles for the entire quarter, HP7.1 + Tron: Legacy + True Grit sold an greater percentage of what Avatar did: 98% in DVD units (So obviously they sold even more that Avatar in Blu-ray).

Now remember that those sales are in The-Numbers units. I don't put much stock in them myself, but other people do. Especially those who have been harping on this "skewing" by Avatar.

So basically what it all boils down to, is that Avatar actually had a lower BO-->HV conversion rate than those 3 titles did, and all this talk about Avatar skewing the Q2 results is totally false, because compared to the above three titles, Avatar pulled less weight compared to its box office. And the total 2011 Q2 box office was only 4.2% less than in 2010.

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I want to compare apples and apples box office power vs YoY sales. Using that 39 week period of nearly identical box office provides me with that opportunity. That is the purpose.

If I add in Q1, then we just have the chart above that I've been using all year. Anybody can see that now, so I don't see the point in your suggestion.
Just remember that Star Wars skews it bigtime as it isn't counted in the YOY TBO numbers. It is as big as Avatar as far as sales revenue for Blu-ray.
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Speaking of keeping things in perspective, let's look at this so called "Avatar effect".

The top 3 titles of Q2 in 2011: HP7.1, Tron: Legacy and True Grit, sold 90% of what Avatar did on DVD in the first week(using TN units), while having only 85% of the box office power. When those are converted into approximate Blu-ray units (with the help of Nielsen First Alert ratios), those 3 titles actually sold more than Avatar did (first week sales).

Basically what that means, is that Avatar had a lower conversion rate than those 3 titles, so all this talk about Avatar skewing the Q2 results is complete BS.
Agreed. Not only because of that analysis, but because results cannot be "skewed" by actual performance.


Releases can have a positive or a negative impact on a particular reporting period, but the results are what they are. Factual information on revenue. Q1/Q2/H1 results were exactly what they were. Results that showed very weak YoY growth for those periods.
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Just remember that Star Wars skews it bigtime as it isn't counted in the YOY TBO numbers. It is as big as Avatar as far as sales revenue for Blu-ray.
Any information on exactly how much contribution Star Wars made to BD revenue?
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Any information on exactly how much contribution Star Wars made to BD revenue?
I could have sworn I saw over a million UNITS sold.
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BTW HMM is now pimping the 3rd quarter as the turnaround for home video for 2011. LOL.

3rd quarter is the only good news at all for home video. All the other quarters sucked. THey must have forgotten about the most important 4th quarter where the majority of sales come from. LOL. HEHEHEHEHE.
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BTW HMM is now pimping the 3rd quarter as the turnaround for home video for 2011. LOL.
Kinda hard to understand how they could believe that with a simple glance at their data.

2011 will be down, and down by quite a bit. Meanwhile, Blu-ray will likely come in at right around 20% YoY growth.
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Kinda hard to understand how they could believe that with a simple glance at their data.

2011 will be down, and down by quite a bit. Meanwhile, Blu-ray will likely come in at right around 20% YoY growth.
I know. I can't believe anyone could take what they say with a grain of salt. There is absolutely no sign of it turning around. It is almost as if they dont mind lying completely in order to "SELL" the format to consumers.

I don't take it lightly when companies LIE intentionally to consumers. In fact I am going to make it a point to tell everyone they are lying, because they 110% are doing so.
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