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Old 10-08-2013, 11:46 AM   #4576  
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None that I know of. There's been a few low-end BD's packed with SD movies though.
Me either.

Hollywood is using BD as a platform for High Definition . . . not as a large storage medium for SD programming. IMO . . . it would confuse the heck out of Joe Public.
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Not quite SD in the strictest sense and definition. But nevertheless in practice, it mind as well be "SD" except in name.

The ones I can think of offhand fitting such a contorted definition of "SD", were some bluray season sets where it was alleged that the video footage was a dumb upscaling from an older SD version.

- One egregious case of this was Farscape.

- Another famous case were the Star Trek TAS (The Animated Series) and DS9 (Deep Space Nine) "tribbles" episodes, which were on the season 2 bluray set of the orginal Star Trek.
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Another case where it was alleged, were the Highlander bluray tv show season sets.
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Me either.

Hollywood is using BD as a platform for High Definition . . . not as a large storage medium for SD programming. IMO . . . it would confuse the heck out of Joe Public.
Joe public is still buying dvds so Hollywood has nothing to lose. Bluray sales have been a huge disappointment anyway.
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(Speaking in terms of hypotheticals).

I wonder why something like singled layered hd-dvd (or bluray) was not available on the mass market back in the late-1990's (in place of dvd).

IIRC back then in the late 1990's, 20-30 gig hard drives were already common on then-new desktop computers.
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(Partial answer).

The type of blue lasers required for something like hd-dvd or bluray, were tied up in patent disputes and litigation for many years back in the 1990's.

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The long-running patent dispute between Nichia and Toyoda Gosei concerning blue LEDs could at last be drawing to a close.

According to a joint statement published on both companies' websites, Nichia and Toyoda Gosei "have agreed, on technology of III- nitride semiconductors such as blue LEDs, to respect any and all patent rights etc. which the other party owns."

The statement continues to say that the parties will "enter into negotiations in good faith in order to come to an end of any and all disputes and suits in and outside Japan between the parties which lasted for several years."

Over the six years since the dispute began in August 1996, the two companies have each filed numerous lawsuits claiming that the other company was infringing on its patents. The courts in Japan have also been occupied by attempts by each company to have the other's patents declared invalid.

Although Nichia won two patent infringement cases against Toyoda Gosei in 2000, many recent rulings have not gone in Nichia's favor. Toyoda Gosei won two cases in February 2002 to the effect it had not infringed on two separate Nichia patents.

A number of rulings made by the Japanese Patent Office (JPO) concerning the validity of patents have been overturned by the Tokyo High Court. The rulings, with one exception, were in favor of Toyoda Gosei; several patents owned by Toyoda Gosei and declared invalid by the JPO have recently been declared valid, while three of Nichia's patents have been declared invalid.

Nichia consistently stated that it had no intention of negotiating a cross-licensing agreement with Toyoda Gosei, but its firm policy of not working with other companies was broken in June 2002, when Nichia and Osram Opto Semiconductors agreed to cross-license all their patents relating to the manufacturing of white LEDs.
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The development of blue lasers began in the 1980s. Despite the efforts of engineers in many countries, the development of suitable materials was a slow process. Semiconductor lasers emit light when an electrical current is passed through the semiconductor used. To discover suitable materials for semiconductor lasers, we need to find combinations of substances that will produce laser light with the desired wavelength when current passes through them.

Initially Sony tried to develop a semiconductor laser using materials based on zinc selenide, and in 1996 we succeeded in maintaining continuous oscillation for 100 hours. However, Sony changed its development strategy after Nichia Corporation succeeded in developing a gallium nitride semiconductor laser with a shorter wavelength. It was a difficult decision to abandon development of the materials that we had previously been researching. However, we wanted Sony to maintain its leading role in the advancement of optical disc technology, and we saw this as the best decision in terms of ensuring that Sony would be the first to develop next-generation products based on BD technology.

Yet at this stage, we had simply selected the material that we would use. There were still many challenges to overcome before we could turn this into a semiconductor laser that could be used in commercial products. The first of these was the solution of problems surrounding Nichia Corporation's patents relating to gallium nitride. In the second half of the 1990s, there was a patent lawsuit between Nichia Corporation and Toyoda Gosei Co., Ltd. concerning a blue LED made using gallium nitride. There was extensive media coverage about the blue LED that couldn't be marketed because of the patent dispute. Urgent steps were needed to resolve this problem so that Sony could introduce its blue-violet semiconductor laser. However, Nichia Corporation took the position that it would sell products but not the technology, and that it would opt for licensing if there were complementing technologies. Fortunately, Sony had laser manufacturing patents, expertise and commercialization experience dating back to the CD era. We also had manufacturing facilities with world-class technology, including Sony Shiroishi Semiconductor Inc. (Sony Shiroishi), the Sony's Group's semiconductor laser manufacturer.
Too bad this happened.

If it didn't and blue lasers were available back in the 1990's, hypothetically we may have possibly seen something like hd-dvd or bluray earlier in the late 1990's. (Perhaps in place of dvd).
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Joe public is still buying dvds so Hollywood has nothing to lose.
Wonder how much of dvd sales these days is direct to "institutional" bulk buyers (such as Netflix, Redbox, libraries, Blockbuster, etc ...), and how much is from actual individuals.
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Wonder how much of dvd sales these days is direct to "institutional" bulk buyers (such as Netflix, Redbox, libraries, Blockbuster, etc ...), and how much is from actual individuals.
The rentailer transactions are not counted as sales. The only exception is if Redbox or another rentailer buys copies direct from retailers. But I believe that practiced has almost stopped with the latest round of agreement between them and the studios. Besides, if they were counted as "sales" then the rental revenue would be like double dipping the overall revenue earned from each disc.

As for the libraries, it can't be very much. Likely well under one percent.
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http://www.homemediamagazine.com/mar...ek-ended-92813



Updated thru week ending 9/28/13
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)

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Week Date      OD     OD YoY      DVD    DVD YoY       BD    BD YoY  BD Share  TBO2012 TBO2011

2013 HMM    4899.09    -7.6%    3479.95   -12.7%    1419.16    7.9%    29.0%    6964.4  6889.3

Q3   HMM    1401.22   -14.3%    1010.62   -16.4%     390.58   -8.4%    27.9%    2017.4  2145.2

39   9/28    125.64   -37.1%      79.05   -29.2%      46.59  -47.1%    37.1%     414.8   624.7
38   9/21    113.74    -4.1%      78.15   -13.1%      35.58   24.2%    31.3%     213.5   116.7
37   9/14    132.99    -1.9%      85.34   -15.8%      47.65   39.1%    35.8%     239.8   211.1
36    9/7    108.70     8.9%      80.72   -13.8%      27.98    8.9%    25.7%     123.8    46.5
35   8/31    114.52   -21.0%      84.31   -21.6%      30.21  -19.3%    26.4%     197.5   262.5
34   8/24    102.07   -29.3%      76.50   -28.1%      25.57  -32.7%    25.1%     146.4   105.5
33   8/17    101.24   -31.8%      75.14   -30.9%      26.10  -34.2%    25.8%     130.3   412.4
32   8/10    106.13    -8.3%      75.01   -13.4%      31.12    7.0%    29.3%     136.9   216.2
31   8/3     103.89    10.4%      75.15    -1.7%      28.74   62.5%    27.7%     125.4     0.1
30   7/27     91.47    -3.5%      71.25    -4.9%      20.21    1.8%    22.1%       3.9    18.5
29   7/20    101.61    -3.4%      76.01    -7.2%      25.60    9.8%    25.2%     159.9    81.0
28   7/13     99.26    -5.7%      76.13    -8.7%      23.13    6.0%    23.3%     124.3    59.6
27   7/6      99.96    -8.0%      77.86    -9.5%      22.10   -2.4%    22.1%       1.1     0.5

Q2   DEG    1457.26   -13.0%    1052.97   -16.7%     404.29   -1.5%    27.7% (EST)259.4   15.1%(share)
Q2   HMM    1432.97   -13.2%    1031.66   -17.1%     401.32   -1.3%    28.0%    1777.3  2318.0

26   6/29     97.21   -21.8%      73.46   -20.8%      23.76  -24.7%    24.4%      78.1   350.5
25   6/22    109.92    -5.8%      79.23   -10.9%      30.69   10.7%    27.9%     135.0    98.6
24   6/15    145.76   -10.6%      98.08   -15.6%      47.68    1.9%    32.7%     334.2   275.5
23   6/8     122.79   -19.0%      86.72   -18.2%      36.06  -21.0%    29.4%     325.2   374.1
22   6/1      91.91   -18.9%      69.55   -20.2%      22.36  -14.4%    24.3%      18.4    37.0
21   5/25    103.15    -6.7%      75.17   -10.1%      27.98    3.8%    27.1%      84.8   178.2
20   5/18     96.09   -12.1%      70.43   -15.0%      25.67   -3.1%    26.7%      61.8   200.1
19   5/11    117.72    -5.1%      83.48   -11.5%      34.24   15.4%    29.1%     223.5   187.5
18   5/4     104.34    -4.3%      75.45   -12.1%      28.89   24.7%    27.7%     189.5   105.0
17   4/27    100.75    -4.2%      72.97    -8.6%      27.78    9.8%    27.6%     157.3    67.9
16   4/20    112.75     1.5%      79.45    -3.3%      33.30   14.9%    29.5%     162.8   236.0
15   4/13    102.06    -6.0%      75.74   -12.1%      26.32   17.6%    25.8%       6.4    51.8
14   4/6     128.52   -36.9%      91.93   -41.8%      36.59  -20.0%    28.5%       0.4   155.8

Q1   DEG    2098.83     2.1%    1455.55    -6.7%     643.28   28.5%    30.6% (EST)231.2    9.9%(share)
Q1   HMM    2064.90     2.5%    1437.67    -6.2%     627.26   30.1%    30.4%    3169.8  2426.1

13   3/30    222.64    41.9%     153.75    26.4%      68.89   95.1%    30.9%     294.8   171.2
12   3/23    204.22    35.8%     125.59    14.6%      78.63   92.8%    38.5%     618.7   356.9
11   3/16    163.59    10.3%     111.45    -1.8%      52.15   49.6%    31.9%     244.8   279.2
10   3/9     195.09    19.0%     133.76    10.1%      61.33   44.3%    31.4%     256.6   216.0
9    3/2     177.32    15.9%     129.10    10.1%      48.23   35.0%    27.2%     315.6    82.3
8    2/23    158.25    -1.7%     105.48   -14.7%      52.77   41.6%    33.3%     251.0   274.4
7    2/16    196.00    -6.2%     131.73   -18.6%      64.27   36.6%    32.8%     368.6    16.2
6    2/9     143.36   -30.4%     103.88   -31.5%      39.48  -27.5%    27.5%     171.1   321.4
5    2/2     124.02   -15.3%      89.11   -19.9%      34.91   -0.8%    28.1%     221.2   118.7
4    1/26    104.36   -19.8%      78.68   -18.6%      25.69  -23.2%    24.6%      46.5   226.0
3    1/19    118.15    -7.3%      88.02   -14.7%      32.13   20.7%    27.2%     213.2   114.0
2    1/12    114.83    -8.9%      84.56   -13.8%      30.27    8.1%    26.4%      96.8   116.2
1    1/5     143.07     5.5%     104.56    -0.1%      38.51   24.4%    26.9%      67.2   134.3

2012 DEG    8462.18    -5.5%    6105.78   -10.9%    2356.40    9.6%    27.8% (EST)811.5    8.8%(share)    
2012 HMM    8181.48    -5.6%    5997.34    -9.9%    2184.04    8.6%    26.7%   10157.8  9979.0										
							
Q4 DEG      3060.27    -8.3%    2091.50   -15.1%     968.77    4.8%    31.7% (EST)295.0    8.8%(share)
Q4 HMM      2914.71    -7.1%    2037.92   -11.0%     876.78    3.5%    30.1%    3319.1  3713.8

52  12/29    237.36    35.8%     169.84    29.8%      67.52   53.6%    28.4%      11.5    64.3
51  12/22    420.06   -12.9%     304.39   -17.4%     115.67    1.9%    27.5%     281.1   205.6
50  12/15    348.17    -5.8%     238.15   -15.1%     110.01   23.3%    31.6%     492.9   360.7
49  12/8     303.97    -6.1%     193.44   -21.0%     110.53   40.3%    36.4%     567.3   624.8
48  12/1     217.83    -5.3%     152.95   -12.4%      64.88   16.9%    29.8%     336.6   282.0
47  11/24    388.81    -0.3%     278.21    -7.6%     110.60   24.6%    28.4%      84.4   194.5
46  11/17    169.81     1.0%     115.01   -10.6%      54.79   38.5%    32.3%     326.0    41.6
45  11/10    128.76   -29.6%      93.33   -27.9%      35.43  -33.8%    27.5%     309.7   422.9
44  11/3     126.70   -25.0%      96.30   -18.9%      30.39  -39.4%    24.0%      93.1   335.6
43  10/27    149.05     0.9%     109.23    12.7%      39.82  -21.6%    26.7%     227.0   204.5
42  10/20    139.08   -12.3%      98.69     1.8%      40.40  -34.4%    29.0%     311.3   370.0
41  10/13    137.69   -11.0%      91.68   -14.8%      46.02   -2.3%    33.4%     181.4   343.3
40  10/6     147.42   -20.5%      96.70   -12.5%      50.72  -32.2%    34.4%      96.8   264.0                               
			
Q3 DEG      1672.54    -4.0%    1195.84    -9.5%     476.70   13.0%    28.5% (EST)187.1   10.1%(share)
Q3 HMM      1624.71    -3.7%    1199.77    -8.6%     424.65   13.3%    26.1%    2147.2  1806.5

39  9/29     198.99    28.7%     110.98     0.1%      88.01  101.1%    44.2%     624.6   352.1
38  9/22     118.97   -26.2%      89.54   -20.5%      28.63  -39.8%    24.2%     116.0   169.3
37  9/15     134.97   -18.9%     100.75    -6.9%      34.22  -41.1%    25.4%     208.4   190.8
36  9/8      118.56    -8.8%      92.98    -9.9%      25.58   -4.5%    21.6%      47.6   189.3
35  9/1      144.44    20.3%     107.25     5.3%      37.19  103.6%    25.7%     252.7    65.6
34  8/25     143.76    31.4%     105.81    15.3%      37.95  115.6%    26.4%     105.3    12.6
33  8/18     147.22    17.3%     108.08     5.7%      39.64   67.7%    26.8%     411.4   100.8
32  8/11     114.70    -7.0%      85.79   -13.8%      28.91   21.3%    25.2%     216.1   118.2
31  8/4       93.41   -33.4%      75.78   -32.4%      17.63  -37.3%    18.9%       0.6   189.8
30  7/28      94.17   -14.4%      74.35   -17.6%      19.82    0.4%    21.0%      18.5    56.8
29  7/21     103.79   -14.7%      80.67   -18.0%      23.12   -0.9%    22.3%      87.8    88.3
28  7/14     104.61   -12.5%      82.94   -13.7%      21.67   -7.4%    20.7%      57.9   267.8
27  7/7      107.12     0.7%      84.85    -1.2%      22.28    8.6%    20.8%       0.3     5.1

Q2 DEG      1674.15    -7.1%    1263.83   -10.1%     410.32    3.4%    24.5%
Q2 HMM      1631.18    -9.9%    1227.87   -13.3%     403.51    2.5%    24.7%    2296.8  2322.3

26  6/30     122.48    -3.7%      91.23    -5.2%      31.25    0.9%    25.5%     342.2   102.3
25  6/23     114.86    -7.7%      87.39   -11.5%      27.47    6.8%    23.9%      97.5   205.4
24  6/16     160.13     5.6%     113.84    -1.9%      46.29   30.2%    28.9%     275.1   208.2
23  6/9      151.52    14.4%     105.51     1.2%      45.61   61.4%    30.2%     370.6   305.0
22  6/2      111.57    -6.5%      85.76   -11.7%      25.81   16.4%    23.1%      36.1    15.8
21  5/26     109.16    -5.2%      82.48   -10.8%      26.88   17.7%    24.6%     179.2   154.4
20  5/19     109.04    -3.6%      82.49   -11.1%      26.55   30.7%    24.3%     200.0    99.9
19  5/12     121.91     8.4%      92.63     1.6%      29.28   37.8%    24.0%     187.4   155.6
18  5/5      107.56   -11.5%      84.66   -14.4%      22.90    1.5%    21.3%     104.9   148.6
17  4/28     103.68    -4.1%      78.66   -10.5%      25.02   23.5%    24.1%      67.6     0.0
16  4/21     109.99   -50.1%      81.31   -53.3%      28.68  -38.1%    26.1%     231.7   184.9
15  4/14     107.78   -42.5%      85.63   -37.4%      22.15  -56.2%    20.6%      51.3   314.8
14  4/7      201.90    13.9%     156.28    20.0%      45.62   -3.0%    22.6%     153.2   427.4

Q1 DEG      2060.00    -0.4%    1559.39    -6.1%     500.61   23.0%    24.3%
Q1 HMM      2010.88    -1.2%    1531.78    -6.6%     479.10   20.9%    23.8%    2394.7  2136.4

13  3/31     155.29   -19.9%     120.32   -17.4%      34.98  -27.6%    22.5%     168.6   319.2
12  3/24     148.56     8.5%     108.20    -2.8%      40.36   57.9%    27.2%     353.9   219.4
11  3/17     146.48     4.6%     112.13    -1.4%      34.34   30.2%    23.4%     276.1   154.2
10  3/10     165.27     9.5%     123.11     2.7%      42.16   35.7%    25.5%     216.0   177.1
9   3/3      150.39   -14.0%     115.29   -13.4%      35.10  -15.7%    23.3%      67.0   112.3
8   2/25     158.98    -2.2%     122.04    -7.3%      36.94   19.4%    23.2%     272.1   258.0
7   2/18     207.15    18.9%     160.38    10.4%      46.77   61.7%    22.6%      16.4    86.2
6   2/11     205.54    19.4%     151.09     3.1%      54.45  104.2%    26.5%     316.5   224.0
5   2/4      144.90    -8.6%     110.25   -16.0%      34.65   27.1%    23.9%     118.5    23.0
4   1/28     131.95   -13.6%      98.40   -20.2%      33.55   14.2%    25.4%     226.3   201.2
3   1/21     129.39    -2.4%     103.53    -4.9%      25.86    8.9%    20.0%     112.7    60.7
2   1/14     128.65    -5.1%     100.16    -7.7%      28.49    5.6%    22.1%     143.4   116.2
1   1/7      138.33    -8.0%     106.88   -11.6%      31.45    7.0%    22.7%     157.7   134.3

2011 DEG    8951.80   -13.2%    6851.80   -19.5%    2150.00   19.4%    24.0%    
2011 HMM    8604.20   -13.9%    6608.28   -20.3%    1995.92   17.7%    23.2%    9936.0 10820.9																			

Q4 DEG      3338.95   -11.0%    2464.81   -16.5%     924.14   15.5%    27.7%
Q4 HMM      3125.11   -12.4%    2280.75   -19.5%     844.36   15.1%    27.0%    3698.4  3932.2

52  12/31    174.13   -25.6%     130.29   -28.7%      43.84  -14.7%    25.2%      64.3    95.9
51  12/24    482.11   -13.1%     368.59   -16.9%     113.52    2.2%    23.5%     205.6   303.6
50  12/17    369.89   -23.4%     280.58   -26.8%      89.31  -10.1%    24.1%     360.7   635.3
49  12/10    322.48   -14.5%     243.85   -18.6%      78.63    1.5%    24.4%     624.8   535.6
48  12/3     229.49   -23.3%     173.97   -27.5%      55.52   -6.2%    24.2%     282.0   496.0
47  11/26    388.67   -12.4%     300.39   -16.5%      88.28    5.0%    22.7%     194.5   185.3
46  11/19    166.84   -14.3%     127.57   -18.0%      39.27    0.5%    23.5%      41.6   359.0
45  11/12    183.17     2.5%     128.95   -12.0%      54.22   68.3%    29.6%     422.9   251.3
44  11/5     167.53   -16.8%     117.59   -22.8%      49.94    2.0%    29.8%     335.6   414.9
43  10/29    147.15    11.2%      96.66   -11.3%      50.49  115.6%    33.6%     204.5   108.7
42  10/22    156.94     9.5%      95.94   -17.1%      61.00  120.8%    38.9%     370.0    56.0
41  10/15    152.92    -2.4%     106.50   -14.1%      46.42   42.2%    30.4%     343.3   233.0
40  10/8     183.79     9.3%     109.87    -9.4%      73.92   57.7%    40.2%     248.6   257.6

Q3 DEG      1742.79    -4.0%    1320.93   -14.7%     421.86   58.0%    24.2%
Q3 HMM      1667.09    -4.9%    1298.39   -13.9%     368.70   49.9%    22.1%    1806.3  1609.5										

39  10/1     152.58   -14.3%     109.97   -20.4%      42.61    7.1%    27.9%     352.1   382.7
38  9/24     153.60     5.0%     108.69   -12.5%      44.91  103.6%    29.2%     169.3   112.5
37  9/17     164.69    14.0%     107.37   -14.2%      57.32  197.2%    34.8%     190.8   165.2
36  9/10     128.84     0.0%     102.29   -10.5%      26.55   82.9%    20.6%     189.3    60.3
35  9/3      119.04    -9.5%     100.87   -13.7%      18.17   23.5%    15.3%      65.6    95.1
34  8/27     109.34   -13.1%      91.74   -16.6%      17.60   11.5%    16.1%      12.6    45.3
33  8/20     124.53    -4.4%     101.11   -12.8%      23.42   63.3%    18.8%     100.8    81.2
32  8/13     122.13    -1.8%      98.44    -9.5%      23.69   51.8%    19.4%     118.0   143.9
31  8/6      139.66     1.4%     111.78    -3.6%      27.88   27.9%    20.0%     189.8   133.5
30  7/30     108.78   -18.3%      89.06   -20.2%      19.72   -8.7%    18.1%      56.8   177.2
29  7/23     120.50    -1.9%      97.25    -9.4%      23.25   49.9%    19.3%      88.3    72.7
28  7/16     118.09    -4.8%      94.88   -13.5%      23.21   61.7%    19.7%     267.8    94.7
27  7/9      105.31   -16.7%      84.94   -22.7%      20.37   22.9%    19.3%       5.1    45.2										
		
Q2 DEG      1831      -15.0%    1434      -18.8%     397       9.4%    21.7%
Q2 HMM      1791.55   -12.2%    1402.94   -16.7%     388.61    9.1%    21.7%    2314.8  2422.0

26  7/2      127.11   -12.3%      96.32   -21.6%      30.79   39.4%    24.2%     102.3   181.4
25  6/25     123.25    -7.7%      98.18   -12.8%      25.07   20.1%    20.3%     205.4    85.8
24  6/18     149.89   -11.2%     114.68   -17.7%      35.21   19.5%    23.5%     208.2   142.8
23  6/11     130.81   -13.6%     103.23   -18.6%      27.58   12.3%    21.1%     305.0   152.6
22  6/4      118.16   -34.1%      96.17   -32.8%      21.99  -39.1%    18.6%      15.8   386.8
21  5/28     113.83   -16.6%      91.37   -22.9%      22.46   24.9%    19.7%     154.4    87.9
20  5/21     111.98   -15.2%      91.84   -18.9%      20.14    7.2%    18.0%      99.8   185.7
19  5/14     111.02   -23.6%      90.00   -26.8%      21.02   -6.2%    18.9%     155.6   113.6
18  5/7      122.05   -25.2%      99.74   -29.5%      22.31   -7.7%    18.3%     141.5   106.1
17  4/30     106.99   -40.6%      86.94   -39.6%      20.05  -44.5%    18.7%       0.0   120.5
16  4/23     217.30    -8.3%     171.47    -0.3%      45.83  -29.4%    21.1%     187.5   841.3
15  4/16     184.50    48.7%     134.40    24.8%      50.10  205.3%    27.2%     314.8     8.1
14  4/9      174.66    21.6%     128.60     5.9%      46.06  107.5%    26.5%     424.5     9.4
										
Q1 DEG      2068      -20.0%    1661      -25.0%     407      10.0%    19.7%		
Q1 HMM      2020.45   -23.2%    1626.20   -28.4%     394.25    9.4%    19.5%    2116.5  2857.2

13  4/2      192.11   -36.0%     144.16   -44.6%      47.95   20.1%    25.0%     300.9   461.1
12  3/26     135.54   -49.8%     110.21   -50.9%      25.33  -44.1%    18.7%     218.0   335.6
11  3/19     138.72   -46.5%     112.58   -49.6%      26.14  -27.1%    18.8%     154.2   534.3
10  3/12     146.96   -24.4%     116.11   -30.8%      30.85   16.5%    21.0%     177.0   247.2
9   3/5      174.59    -7.2%     132.93   -15.4%      41.66   34.1%    23.9%     112.3   258.8
8   2/26     160.96     4.5%     130.35    -2.5%      30.61   50.7%    19.0%     258.0    74.9
7   2/19     172.68    -8.1%     143.99   -12.7%      28.69   25.0%    16.6%      86.2    80.1
6   2/12     172.00   -19.4%     145.34   -23.1%      26.66    8.9%    15.5%     224.0   211.0
5   2/5      158.26   -16.7%     131.08   -20.8%      27.18   11.1%    17.2%      23.0   114.6
4   1/29     151.21   -14.6%     122.05   -20.9%      29.16   27.6%    19.3%     201.2   151.6
3   1/22     131.62   -16.3%     107.98   -21.0%      23.64   14.8%    18.0%      60.7    61.0
2   1/15     135.49   -17.3%     108.51   -23.9%      26.98   27.0%    19.9%     143.3   137.8
1   1/8      150.31   -14.1%     120.91   -19.5%      29.40   18.6%    19.6%     157.7   189.2

OD = optical disc (DVD + Blu-ray)
YoY = year over year percentage change
TBO = total box office
BD = Blu-ray

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Iron Man 3 got killed by Avengers week. Some of it due to the caliber of the title, but also some due to lack of aggressive discounting (IM3 was $3-$5 higher than Avengers).

Q3 ends will Blu-ray down 8.4 percent for the quarter, the second quarter in a row with negative growth (no other prior quarters have been negative). So after starting the year with 30% growth in Q1, it has fallen to 7.9% for the year so far (Q1-Q3). Box office power through 3 quarters is up slightly (1.1%), so it would appear that Blu-ray certainly has peaked and is beginning to decline. Especially since it essentially has no more remaining strong catalog left to release.

From what I've read, Q4 box office power will be higher than last year, so hopefully Blu-ray will not suffer a third negative quarter in a row.
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Wonder how much per dvd disc the rentailers are actually paying in their bulk purchases.
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Wonder how much per dvd disc the rentailers are actually paying in their bulk purchases.
My guess would be in the low teens, depending on the movie.
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Wonder if the rentailers' bulk dvd orders are delivered as wholesale stacks of disks, without any dvd cases. (Similar to how blank dvd-r discs are sold in quantities of 50 or 100 discs in a "cake" style spindle).
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Wonder if the rentailers' bulk dvd orders are delivered as wholesale stacks of disks, without any dvd cases. (Similar to how blank dvd-r discs are sold in quantities of 50 or 100 discs in a "cake" style spindle).
It's possible. I don't know how Redbox stocks movies in their kiosks. Do it come out of the kiosk with an amary case and cover insert? If so, then they would also probably receive the cover inserts from the studios at a bare minimum.
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You can sure tell that on demand, streaming and digital purchases are cutting into the optical disc market.

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