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Old 06-15-2012, 08:15 PM   #3301  
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What exactly does "not BD friendly" mean?
Genre titles like comedy, romance, family or biography that get less than the average Blu-ray share. The average top 20 Blu-ray share (in units sold, not revenue which is about 25% higher) is about 38% and these genres generally get around 30%.

Favorable titles are action and adventure. Those get slightly over 50% on average (in week 1 anyway, the next week the share drops several points).

Genres which are neither overly favorable nor unfavorable would be drama, animation, crime, thriller and horror.
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What exactly does "not BD friendly" mean?
Not sure if I ever use that exact phrase. But I do often state that some genres are more Blu-ray friendly than others such as action titles, superhero movies or those that are more favorable to PS3 owners who might be gamers or early adopters.

Some genre's have much higher Blu-ray marketshare than other lagging genres like romantic comedies and children's movies or those not released on Blu-ray etc. I would guess TV on DVD that does not even get a Blu-ray version sku could be called that.

But every genre shows greater Blu-ray marketshare over time.
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Here's the latest market share charts which show that graphically



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Old 06-15-2012, 09:03 PM   #3304  
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Genre titles like comedy, romance, family or biography that get less than the average Blu-ray share. The average top 20 Blu-ray share (in units sold, not revenue which is about 25% higher) is about 38% and these genres generally get around 30%.

Favorable titles are action and adventure. Those get slightly over 50% on average (in week 1 anyway, the next week the share drops several points).

Genres which are neither overly favorable nor unfavorable would be drama, animation, crime, thriller and horror.
I'd pretty much agree with that.
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Not sure if I ever use that exact phrase. But I do often state that some genres are more Blu-ray friendly than others such as action titles, superhero movies or those that are more favorable to PS3 owners who might be gamers or early adopters.
Why would early adopters be important? According to your posts in the other thread, BD is past that stage and in the Early Majority stage - mainstream - mass market consumers.

They buy all genres on DVD, why wouldn't they do the same for BD?

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Some genre's have much higher Blu-ray marketshare than other lagging genres like romantic comedies and children's movies or those not released on Blu-ray etc. I would guess TV on DVD that does not even get a Blu-ray version sku could be called that.

But every genre shows greater Blu-ray marketshare over time.
Then how can BD be a mass market product if it depends on a movie's genre to be successful? DVD doesn't have that problem.
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Old 06-15-2012, 10:59 PM   #3306  
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Blu-ray is successfully selling mass market volumes in all genres now.

Its just that some genres will always be better than others.
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Genre titles like comedy, romance, family or biography that get less than the average Blu-ray share. The average top 20 Blu-ray share (in units sold, not revenue which is about 25% higher) is about 38% and these genres generally get around 30%.

Favorable titles are action and adventure. Those get slightly over 50% on average (in week 1 anyway, the next week the share drops several points).

Genres which are neither overly favorable nor unfavorable would be drama, animation, crime, thriller and horror.
So what you are saying Bruce is BD is "pigeon-holed" when it comes to mass market consumers buying them. If it doesn't meet a specific set of criteria, then sales are low. Does that sound like a mass market product to you? Or more of a niche product. Think about that.
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Blu-ray is successfully selling mass market volumes in all genres now.

Its just that some genres will always be better than others.
And what is BD's YTD growth % for 2012? Been all kinds of genres released this year hasn't there?
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And what is BD's YTD growth % for 2012? Been all kinds of genres released this year hasn't there?
Lots of genre's but few major titles that were both strong box office performers and high Blu-ray marketshare genres. MI4 was one and the next few weeks will add some more.

The last pages here have had a conversation between bruceames and me on that subject where I have observed that the genre mix for over $100 M+ box office titles was better for Blu-ray last year, but he rightfully has pointed out that as you expand that observation to lessor performing titles it evens out substantially.

My point was the genre mix of the better performing titles better describes the observed Blu-ray performance to date.

His point was that the larger list of all titles or all $25 M titles is a greater representation of all titles in YTD release and its simply better not to cherry pick out the best titles for the comparison.

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And what is BD's YTD growth % for 2012?
Blu-ray has ranged from a high of being up around +33% YoY this year in revenues, to a low of around +7%.

Its currently at around +9.3% which is a couple points higher compared to it being about +7% up at this stage last year after week 22.

We do not have the results of John Carter Act of Valor Safe House Mysterious Island 2 yet in the statistics. We probably will get those revenue stats on Monday which should increase those numbers somewhat based on the early data we already have.





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Cinram to Be Delisted From Toronto Stock Exchange

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Replicator Cinram no longer will be traded on the Toronto Stock Exchange, effective July 16, with the company saying it does not meet the exchange’s listing requirements anymore.

Cinram, which posted a net loss of $25.5 million for the first quarter of 2012 on May 11, announced in a press release that it “is reviewing other alternatives in order to provide holders of its trust units a venue for the trading of the [company’s] units.”

Cinram, which supplies and distributes discs for 20th Century Fox Home Entertainment, Relativity Media and others, has been looking for a buyer since March, but hasn’t been able to find one, and in late May saw Cinram Optical Discs SAS, a French subsidiary of the Toronto-based replicator, file for insolvency.

“There can be no assurance that the process will identify a transaction that is in the best interests of [Cinram] or that [Cinram] will be able to implement any such transaction,” the company announced when it revealed it had hired financial advisors to look at a potential sale.
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Mike do you have a list of all the large OD suppliers? I have been looking on the internet for most of the morning and cannot find a comprehensive listing.
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Mike do you have a list of all the large OD suppliers?
No. Lists are soon made obsolete. From late last fall:

Italy's largest optical disc replicator latest victim of economic downturn

Blu-ray pioneer Infodisc closes; MD joins kdg launching own BD production

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Founded twelve years ago by Michael Gutowski, Infodisc Technology, based in Renchen, Germany, became the first independent Blu-ray disc replicator in Europe when it installed BD lines in 2007, the year the hidef format launched.

The considerable capital investment required combined with the inability to recover it with ever thinner margins on DVD production, not helped by the current economic conditions, have taken its toll, says the company.

Last October, Infodisc called on the administrators who started bankruptcy protection procedures. Harald Kroth of Schultze & Braun was appointed provisional liquidator. "This allows us to work through existing contracts and to search for solutions to save the company and its 45 jobs, for example, through a reorganization or with the help of an investor," said Kroth.

However, by the December deadline, the company was declared insolvent and closed down, with assets seeking buyers. The insolvency fund guaranteed employees' salaries to December.
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I have been looking on the internet for most of the morning and cannot find a comprehensive listing.
Cinram reported $1.9 billion in revenue for 2008. Three years later (in 2011) they reported $800 million in revenue,. Should they be on the list?

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Old 06-17-2012, 02:02 PM   #3313  
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Major Blu-ray replication plants in the USA include:

Sony DADC
Technicolor
Cinram

Who do most of the studio bulk replication.

Plenty of smaller Blu-ray service providers who have a line or two:

Singulus in Germany who produces the Bluline II replication lines has sold Blu-ray lines to over 30 replicators worldwide.

http://www.singulus.de/uploads/tx_ps...II_2012_01.pdf
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Here's info on Singulus' lines for background.

http://www.singulus.de/en/optical-di...roduction.html

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Old 06-17-2012, 05:07 PM   #3315  
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These are lines sold by the end of 2010 for Singulus.

It does not include Sony DADC lines which were estimated at over 180 a few years ago and probably are over 250 more now.

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