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Old 06-08-2012, 05:13 AM   #3196  
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'Mission' Accomplished: 'Ghost Protocol' Is No. 1

24 Apr, 2012
By: Thomas K. Arnold


Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol

Paramount Home Media Distribution scored a rare triple-whammy on the home video charts the week ended April 22, as the latest installment in the Tom Cruise-starring “Mission: Impossible” franchise debuted at No. 1 on all three charts.

Mission: Impossible — Ghost Protocol easily vaulted to the top of both the Nielsen VideoScan First Alert chart, which tracks overall disc sales, as well as Nielsen’s dedicated Blu-ray Disc sales charts.

The film — which earned $209.4 million in U.S. theaters — turned in a particularly strong Blu-ray Disc performance, with the high-definition version accounting for 67% of total unit sales.


Steven Spielberg’s War Horse, distributed by Disney, finished a distant second on both sales charts its third week in stores. Overall, the film sold 16% as many discs as Ghost Protocol, while on Blu-ray the disparity was even greater, with War Horse selling just 7% as many units as the Tom Cruise blockbuster.

On Home Media Magazine’s weekly video rental chart, Ghost Protocol claimed an easy victory in the top spot as well, followed at No. 2 by 20th Century Fox’s The Sitter, which shot up from No. 49 the prior week as it came off its 28-day holdback from Netflix and Redbox.

Another Fox film, The Descendants, with George Clooney, remained at No. 3 on the rental chart, while the No. 4 position went to Universal Studios’ Hop, an Easter bunny movie that was held back from the two leading rental outlets until the week after Easter.


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Old 06-08-2012, 06:08 AM   #3197  
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UNITS SOLD! BD S-T DOLLARS GENERATED!

Not some % on a chart
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Observing what is happening and explaining factors that help influence the results we see is not "excuses"
So did DVD have all these "factors?" Not that I remember. Did VHS have all these "factors?" I don't think so. So why is it that BD has all these "factors?"

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The TBO metric that bruceames was using was not just using the over $25 M titles either, it includes all titles that had a Blu-ray release. Its simplistic in that it only looks at one factor of the newly released titles uniqueness in a reporting period and ignores other factors that impact how those titles perform on home video or Blu-ray release.
So what is wrong with a metric that includes all BD titles that are released? No cherry picking or thumb on the scale bias there. Just straight data results.

Why would you be against that? Because it is diluting your results isn't it. It doesn't allow you to put more emphasis on specific releases does it? It gets rid of the Blu Math doesn't it?

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That's why its not terribly well correlated with Blu-ray's sales performance at the moment and why the comparison between total TBO and cumulative YoY gains for Blu-ray at this instant is probably not too predictive at all of what Blu-ray will do later in the year.
So how many crutches, canes, walkers or wheelchairs does BD need?

Oh damn . . . my bad . . . all those "factors" that influence results
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:16 AM   #3199  
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There is nothing wrong with keeping track of the total TBO of all releases for the year or as bruceames modifies it with only the Blu-ray releases.

But at this time of the year is not terribly well correlated with the sales results as certain releases affect the Blu-ray sales results more than others.

As more releases come out through the year it eventually becomes a better predictor and match for the sales results.
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UNITS SOLD! BD S-T DOLLARS GENERATED!

Not some % on a chart
The Nielsen Vidoescan first alert results are the most reliable information we have on a per title basis. Its public as marketshare percentages and unit sale index numbers for the leading title for the week on each chart.

The HMM revenue estimate is for a slightly different day and also when comparing to week to week variations you have to take into account that the weeks prior had no powerful releases that added to the sales results for MI4's release week.

We also have The-numbers Blu-ray Top 10 Blu-ray and Top 30 DVD title estimates for the week and they are consistent with other major releases on Blu-ray.

Those are the only by title unit and sales estimates have openly available but they may have magnitude problems in scale and do not fully match the HMM revenue data in the short term comparisons.
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Since you asked, FWIW, this is the The-Numbers estimates for the week.

Unit sales are probably more accurate than their revenue estimates for the Mon-Sat week the same as Nielsen Videoscan one day more for MI4 sales than the HMM Sun-Sat revenue estimates.

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The-Numbers Blu-ray and DVD estimates for Week Ending 04/22/12


Note: This data is one day offset from the HMM revenue data as it is Mon-Sun range and includes an extra day(Sunday) for new release sales of new releases




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Blu-ray Sales: Mission did the Impossible

Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol led all new releases topping the Blu-ray sales chart with an impressive debut of 1.34 million units / $29.51 million. Its opening week Blu-ray share was an outstanding 67%.

As a result of this fantastic opening, I'm making a bold prediction. By the end of the year, a summer blockbuster will open with a Blu-ray share of 75%.


War Horse was miles back with 99,000 units / $2.96 million for the week giving it totals of 536,000 units / $14.44 million after three.

Frozen Planet opened in third place with 63,000 units / $2.19 million, which was enough for a 49% opening week Blu-ray share. Normally, TV on DVD releases struggle on Blu-ray, but this was a nature documentary, and this particular genre tends to do well. Even so, 49% is impressive.

The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo remained in fourth place with 62,000 units / $1.25 million for the week. After more than a month of release, the film has sold 955,000 units and generated $19.56 million in sales.

Mission: Impossible: Trilogy Box Set returned to the chart in fifth place with 60,000 units / $3.10 million.

The best of the rest of the new releases was Shame, which placed seventh with 48,000 units / $1.30 million. It only came out on a Blu-ray Combo Pack, so there's no Blu-ray share to look at.

Born to be Wild was right behind in eighth place with 47,000 units / $1.31 million giving it an opening week Blu-ray share of 47%, which is excellent for a documentary.

The final new release to chart was The Princess Diaries: Double-Pack, which placed 14th with 34,000 units / $1.34 million.

The overall Blu-ray sales were a momentous leap up from last week and from last year. Sales were 151% higher than last week, both in terms of units and dollars, which is meteoric growth. There were 29% more units sold when compared to last year, which generated 49% more revenue.

On the other hand, DVD sales were marginally higher than last week, but they plummeted compared to last year. This helped the overall Blu-ray share reach 49% in terms of units and 57% in terms of dollars.


With nearly all of the winter blockbusters already out on the home market, this share will likely fall. But expect Blu-ray sales to break the 50% barrier again during the Christmas shopping season.

Speaking of a falling Blu-ray share, next week Blu-ray prospects are far from great with only one first-run release generating any real buzz. Contraband should sell well on Blu-ray when compared to DVD, but weak compared to Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol. On the other hand, last year's new releases were a disaster on both DVD and Blu-ray, meaning 2012 should earn a pretty easy win on the year-over-year comparison.


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Date posted: 2012-05-02

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Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
War Horse
The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
Shame
Born to be Wild 3D
The Princess Diaries
The Princess Diaries 2: Royal Engagement
http://www.the-numbers.com/interacti...hp?newsID=7233


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DVD Sales: Mission Disavowed on DVD

There were not a lot of new releases to reach the top 30 on the DVD sales chart this week and only one of them reached the top five. We did have a new number one film, as Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol easily topped the chart with 661,000 units / $10.24 million. This is a disappointing start for a film that made $200 million in theaters. Fortunately, it did better on Blu-ray.

War Horse placed second with 219,000 units / $4.38 million for the week giving it totals of 1.06 million units / $19.12 million after three. Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chip-Wrecked remained in third place with 151,000 units / $2.71 million for the week. After roughly a month on the home market, the film has sold 1.98 million units and generated $32.91 million in sales. We Bought a Zoo remained in fourth place 128,000 units / $2.24 million for three-week totals of 859,000 units / $14.86 million. This is good, but not great. The Iron Lady fell from second to fifth with 91,000 units / $1.37 million for the week. It has now sold 325,000 units and earned $4.87 million after two weeks of release.

The best of the rest of the new releases was Frozen Planet, which placed ninth with 65,000 units / $1.81 million. Another nature documentary, Born to be Wild, was right behind in tenth place with 53,000 units / $811,000 units.


- C.S.Strowbridge


Date posted: 2012-05-02

Movies
Mission: Impossible - Ghost Protocol
War Horse
Alvin and the Chipmunks: Chipwrecked
We Bought a Zoo
The Iron Lady
Born to be Wild 3D
http://www.the-numbers.com/interacti...hp?newsID=7232
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Old 06-08-2012, 07:55 AM   #3202  
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Sympathy???

Toshiba has been collecting royalties on billions of DVD players, drives, and discs since 1997 (DVD6C) and now collects royalties on every blu-ray player and disc by every company and studio that sells them (through BD4C, now Premier-BD), AND collects royalties from the DVDs that are bundled in the package in order to sell the blu-rays. They are also collecting royalties as a member of AACS, and are members in the MPEG2, VC-1 and AVC/H.264 codec licensing pools.

It is comical that you feel sympathy for them, as they have profited, and will continue to profit from ALL video disc and player sales, without having to actually sell a player or disc.
Heh. You managed to quote me talking about having sympathy for him as an individual, and even bolded the bit which spells out that I was talking about him as an individual, and then turned that into my feeling sympathy for Toshiba? Whoosh! Off you went, like a rocket

Sympathy for an organisation is a comical concept, I don't know how you came up with it, you're a crazy guy, I can see I'll have to keep my eye on you. In fact I'd say any strong display of emotion regarding a corporation one wasn't directly involved with would be pretty irrational. Congratulations on launching such a robust, if misguided, defence of Toshiba BTW, heart warming. Really.

Sympathy for individiuals is another matter, and in this case the poor guy prescribed over a failure that's now the stuff of cautionary tales for business graduates. It's clearly still very real for him and he obviously feels (probably justifiably) that he was poorly used by some of his partners in that venture. How hard a heart do you need to have not to feel sympathy for him?

I'll be honest, I'm struggling to see why either of us should care about some corporation's IP revenue, but since you've taken the time I'd feel it remiss of me not return the courtesy of a response

Of course Toshiba, along with Philips, Pioneer, Sony et al, make money from licensing their DVD technologies, what I can't understand is why you thought that'd be relevant, even you hadn't been flying off at a tangent. Surely the most pertinent factor is that they would always have recieved most of those DVD royalties anyway? That being the case, they in no way make up for either the lost potential HD DVD royalties, or (more critically) the losses they incurred from HD DVD.

Besides, what are Toshiba's DVD6C pool royalties at the moment? Four cents or so for a DVD, $5 for a player or thereabouts? If so, that $1 billion loss alone would eat the royalties from a staggering 25 billion DVDs, or 250 million players! And that's if Toshiba got the whole pot rather than sharing it with the other 7 (8 or 9 now?) holders.

Granted, they're probably seeing some return from their HD DVD patents which (unlike the money from DVD) are additive, though I'm not sure how much. CBHD would probably have been their best bet, but I've not heard much of it in the last year or so, last I recall one of only two manufacturers had dropped the format and promised studio support had failed to materialise.

Basically, as you've so eliquently highlighted, if they'd never invested in HD DVD in the first place they'd still have those DVD royalties, plus at least another $1 billion in their back pocket. That's a sound point, one you'd certainly get no disagreement from me on. Your considering that as a rebuttal, even if I had said what you mistakenly thought I had, is what's got me puzzling.

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many of whom already know, precisely and first hand, the issues Fujii is talking about. I'm pretty sure he does not feel the need to convince you, or any other blu-ray consumer, of anything.

Besides, he said that could not convince movie studios about blu-ray's problems back in the day, when billions of dollars were at stake. It stands to reason that he knows that people like you wouldn't believe him now either.
"People like me"? People who are open to questioning commentary when it includes apparent discrepancies? People who can at least understand and sympathise with a guy who is clearly still cut up about a past failure and might want to paint a slightly rosier picture? People whose opinions aren't so preconcieved that they need to launch emotive and irrelevant ripostes to self-invented arguments?

Do you actually have any opinion on what he said, other than "it's the gospel according to Fujii-san"? How about him leading Toshiba to invest so much in a format while apparently believing it had such a limited lifespan, does that sound likely to you?

Or if we assume that his description of events really is 100% accurate, and that he's more Cassandra than Aesop's fox? Do you think that him telling the studios that their shiny new format would be "short-lived" was particularly smart? Do you think that might have possibly harmed Toshiba's cause when it came to them picking HD DVD?

As always, I'm very interested in any opinions you might have, especially if they're relevant to the topic at hand.

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So did DVD have all these "factors?" Not that I remember. Did VHS have all these "factors?" I don't think so. So why is it that BD has all these "factors?"
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To be fair Ray Von, if you go back and read your post and Mikes, you'll find that yours is the one laden with emotion.
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To be fair Ray Von, if you go back and read your post and Mikes, you'll find that yours is the one laden with emotion.
Hey Bruce. I don't get you, I certainly expressed at least one emotion in my original post, though I disguised my inner angst quite well I thought. Where has that come into doubt?

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I was using only the $25+ million box office titles to compare genres and marketshares, while using the TBO to compare the box office of all new theatrical titles (obviously).

Since the $25+ million titles cover 90% of the TBO and only 30% of the releases (new release with measurable BO), you get a manageable list that is comprehensive in BO coverage at the same time.

Historically the $100+ million titles are only about 50% of the TBO so it is neither representative nor comprehensive.
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Hey Bruce. I don't get you, I certainly expressed at least one emotion in my original post, though I disguised my inner angst quite well I thought. Where has that come into doubt?

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You mean you were holding back? I guess it's true that the old format war feelings run deep. Over at the HTF "reunion", they had to reenact the ban on format war talk because people were arguing like it happened just yesterday.
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Since you asked, FWIW, this is the The-Numbers estimates for the week.

Unit sales are probably more accurate than their revenue estimates for the Mon-Sat week the same as Nielsen Videoscan one day more for MI4 sales than the HMM Sun-Sat revenue estimates.

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The-Numbers Blu-ray and DVD estimates for Week Ending 04/22/12


Note: This data is one day offset from the HMM revenue data as it is Mon-Sun range and includes an extra day(Sunday) for new release sales of new releases
Lee didn't ask for The-Numbers BS data. Did you notice they reported MORE revenue by MI4 than HMM did for the entire week?

He is right though. It looks like the title sold poorly relative to its box office. HMM reported only $28 million the week of its release and $25 million the week after. Those are really piss poor totals for a release of that magnitude. So much so, they are even below average for the quarter which has seen BO down 20%, and well below the average for the year.

As for the T20 charts, in week 1, MI4 had no competition so of course it's going to get a strong result. The #2 title wasn't even a new release! In week two another of those sub-$100 million titles you don't feel is worth mentioning, buried it in the #2 position, getting only 58% of the units as the #1 title (Contraband).

Besides, if MI4 did so well and is so BLu-ray favorable to boot (a week 1 67% share) then why is the delta between Blu-ray and DVD YoY so small this quarter? A lingering "Twilight" effect?
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There was not a lot released the weeks before MI4 nor the weeks after so much of the reported Blu-ray revenues for those weeks we solely the result of that title's revenues as there was no significant revenues coming in from previous recent releases.

If the HMM weekly Sun-Sat first five days of MI4 weekly sales estimate the sole reason that you feel Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol underperformed then that's a flawed argument that again does not consider the other variables that affect the weekly statistical estimates.
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The delta between DVD and Blu-ray will probably change in the next three weeks as the results of those more favorable Blu-ray genre titles come in.

The release strength mix for this 2Q has not been that favorable to Blu-ray compared to last year's strong 2Q 2012 start. That will probably work itself out somewhat by the end of the quarter.
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