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Old 06-02-2012, 01:24 PM   #3106  
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Government is notoriously behind the times. Probably due to too much red tape.

OD blanks are great for Flix and burn movies and creating backups to play on OD players. Not so great for storing critical files like pics and stuff though.
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Government is notoriously behind the times. Probably due to too much red tape.

OD blanks are great for Flix and burn movies and creating backups to play on OD players. Not so great for storing critical files like pics and stuff though.
Microfilm is considered the best for that. It is also considered obsolete by some but you don't even need a machine to read a microfilm. Just some light and a magnifying glass. If properly stored can last longer than most other archival format. I make diazo duplicates in my office if I need to make a microfilm copy that is not intended to be archived.
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Government is slow to adapt new tech. This comes as a shock?

Discs will be a thing of the past soon. We're moving away from it. As I said, old people who refuse to adapt cling to OD. All us young kids use flash drives and externals. Tablets don't have disc drives. Laptops are dumping them.

Sorry Tower. You can deal with discs if you want. Us cool kids would rather have smaller devices that are more efficient and faster.
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OD blanks are great for Flix and burn movies and creating backups to play on OD players. Not so great for storing critical files like pics and stuff though.
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Government is slow to adapt new tech. This comes as a shock?

Discs will be a thing of the past soon. We're moving away from it. As I said, old people who refuse to adapt cling to OD. All us young kids use flash drives and externals. Tablets don't have disc drives. Laptops are dumping them.

Sorry Tower. You can deal with discs if you want. Us cool kids would rather have smaller devices that are more efficient and faster.
There's a difference between backup and archiving. Most government, financial and legal institutions are required to keep archives of data for regulatory compliance, and be able to demonstrate that the data cannot reasonably have been altered. Regulations usually state that the data must be stored on non-erasable, write-once media.

Standard hard disks, memory sticks and cloud storage are great for backups but useless for that sort of regulatory archiving. There are compliant versions of some of those technologies, but they're much more expensive than WORM optical, and some even still rely on optical for full compliance (KOMWorx hard-disk solutions for example).

That's why you'll find government departments sticking to optical disc - it's not a matter of clinging to outdated technology, it's that there's no cost effective alternative.

We do a fair bit of work in this field, UDO was king of the hill for a while but that's pretty much been replaced by Blu-Ray now. "Proper" archive spec Blu-Ray's, not a cakebox of Datawrites from Amazon

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Well it's nice to know that there's going to be a market for non-rewritable OD for some time to come.
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Well it's nice to know that there's going to be a market for non-rewritable OD for some time to come.
To be fair, archival Blu-Ray is about as far from consumer Blu-Ray as UDO. I'm not holding it up as an example of the general health of writable OD as a whole, just trying to explain why it still has an important role to play.

Having said that, it is still worth considering that hard-disks, memory sticks and cloud backup have vulnerabilities that don't apply to read-only optical, like data corruption or modification - a data shredding virus could give you a very bad day if you plugged in your backup drive, or don't have retention on your cloud sync.

Personally, I supplement my backups with BD-R copies for our most important stuff, like all our photos and home movies - a couple of BD25s every few months gives me piece of mind for very little cost.

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To be fair, archival Blu-Ray is about as far from consumer Blu-Ray as UDO. I'm not holding it up as an example of the general health of writable OD as a whole, just trying to explain why it still has an important role to play.

Having said that, it is still worth considering that hard-disks, memory sticks and cloud backup have vulnerabilities that don't apply to read-only optical, like data corruption or modification - a data shredding virus could give you a very bad day if you plugged in your backup drive, or don't have retention on your cloud sync.

Personally, I supplement my backups with BD-R copies for our most important stuff, like all our photos and home movies - a couple of BD25s every few months gives me piece of mind for very little cost.

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Been working in computer security for 15 years now and still burn my most important documents and things like pictures and family movies to optical discs....

The cloud it great, but I would never trust it 100% with my data, and especially not sensitive important docs.
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Been working in computer security for 15 years now and still burn my most important documents and things like pictures and family movies to optical discs....

The cloud it great, but I would never trust it 100% with my data, and especially not sensitive important docs.
Cloud is great until it does this. ..
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/02/p...hotos-to-be-d/

Get your photos backed up to OD or other storage while you can if you use this service.
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Cloud is great until it does this. ..
http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/02/p...hotos-to-be-d/

Get your photos backed up to OD or other storage while you can if you use this service.
Also, copy those backed up photos and keep the copies away from the originals, which is in a fireproof safe.
Hardly anyone does this, so the cloud will probably be used as entertainment purposes only.
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Updated thru week ending 5/26/12
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine

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2012 HMM    2981.90    -6.6%    2275.92   -10.6%     706.18    9.1%    23.7%    3570.0  3622.0										
Week Date      OD     OD YoY      DVD    DVD YoY       BD    BD YoY  BD Share  TBO2012 TBO2011										

Q2 HMM       971.02   -16.0%     744.14   -17.7%     227.08   -9.6%    23.4%    1175.3  1485.6

21  5/26     109.16    -5.2%      82.48   -10.8%      26.88   17.7%    24.6%     179.2   154.4
20  5/19     109.04    -3.6%      82.49   -11.1%      26.55   30.7%    24.3%     200.0    99.9
19  5/12     121.91     8.4%      92.63     1.6%      29.28   37.8%    24.0%     187.4   155.6
18  5/5      107.56   -11.5%      84.66   -14.4%      22.90    1.5%    21.3%     104.9   148.6
17  4/28     103.68    -4.1%      78.66   -10.5%      25.02   23.5%    24.1%      67.6     0.0
16  4/21     109.99   -50.1%      81.31   -53.3%      28.68  -38.1%    26.1%     231.7   184.9
15  4/14     107.78   -42.5%      85.63   -37.4%      22.15  -56.2%    20.6%      51.3   314.8
14  4/7      201.90    13.9%     156.28    20.0%      45.62   -3.0%    22.6%     153.2   427.4

Q1 DEG      2060.00    -0.4%    1559.39    -6.1%     500.61   23.0%    24.3%
Q1 HMM      2010.88    -1.2%    1531.78    -6.6%     479.10   20.9%    23.8%    2394.7  2136.4

13  3/31     155.29   -19.9%     120.32   -17.4%      34.98  -27.6%    22.5%     168.6   319.2
12  3/24     148.56     8.5%     108.20    -2.8%      40.36   57.9%    27.2%     353.9   219.4
11  3/17     146.48     4.6%     112.13    -1.4%      34.34   30.2%    23.4%     276.1   154.2
10  3/10     165.27     9.5%     123.11     2.7%      42.16   35.7%    25.5%     216.0   177.1
9   3/3      150.39   -14.0%     115.29   -13.4%      35.10  -15.7%    23.3%      67.0   112.3
8   2/25     158.98    -2.2%     122.04    -7.3%      36.94   19.4%    23.2%     272.1   258.0
7   2/18     207.15    18.9%     160.38    10.4%      46.77   61.7%    22.6%      16.4    86.2
6   2/11     205.54    19.4%     151.09     3.1%      54.45  104.2%    26.5%     316.5   224.0
5   2/4      144.90    -8.6%     110.25   -16.0%      34.65   27.1%    23.9%     118.5    23.0
4   1/28     131.95   -13.6%      98.40   -20.2%      33.55   14.2%    25.4%     226.3   201.2
3   1/21     129.39    -2.4%     103.53    -4.9%      25.86    8.9%    20.0%     112.7    60.7
2   1/14     128.65    -5.1%     100.16    -7.7%      28.49    5.6%    22.1%     143.4   116.2
1   1/7      138.33    -8.0%     106.88   -11.6%      31.45    7.0%    22.7%     157.7   134.3

2011 DEG    8951.80   -13.2%    6851.80   -19.5%    2150.00   19.4%    24.0%    
2011 HMM    8604.20   -13.9%    6608.28   -20.3%    1995.92   17.7%    23.2%    9936.0 10820.9																			

Q4 DEG      3338.95   -11.0%    2464.81   -16.5%     924.14   15.5%    27.7%
Q4 HMM      3125.11   -12.4%    2280.75   -19.5%     844.36   15.1%    27.0%    3698.4  3932.2

52  12/31    174.13   -25.6%     130.29   -28.7%      43.84  -14.7%    25.2%      64.3    95.9
51  12/24    482.11   -13.1%     368.59   -16.9%     113.52    2.2%    23.5%     205.6   303.6
50  12/17    369.89   -23.4%     280.58   -26.8%      89.31  -10.1%    24.1%     360.7   635.3
49  12/10    322.48   -14.5%     243.85   -18.6%      78.63    1.5%    24.4%     624.8   535.6
48  12/3     229.49   -23.3%     173.97   -27.5%      55.52   -6.2%    24.2%     282.0   496.0
47  11/26    388.67   -12.4%     300.39   -16.5%      88.28    5.0%    22.7%     194.5   185.3
46  11/19    166.84   -14.3%     127.57   -18.0%      39.27    0.5%    23.5%      41.6   359.0
45  11/12    183.17     2.5%     128.95   -12.0%      54.22   68.3%    29.6%     422.9   251.3
44  11/5     167.53   -16.8%     117.59   -22.8%      49.94    2.0%    29.8%     335.6   414.9
43  10/29    147.15    11.2%      96.66   -11.3%      50.49  115.6%    33.6%     204.5   108.7
42  10/22    156.94     9.5%      95.94   -17.1%      61.00  120.8%    38.9%     370.0    56.0
41  10/15    152.92    -2.4%     106.50   -14.1%      46.42   42.2%    30.4%     343.3   233.0
40  10/8     183.79     9.3%     109.87    -9.4%      73.92   57.7%    40.2%     248.6   257.6

Q3 DEG      1742.79    -4.0%    1320.93   -14.7%     421.86   58.0%    24.2%
Q3 HMM      1667.09    -4.9%    1298.39   -13.9%     368.70   49.9%    22.1%    1806.3  1609.5										

39  10/1     152.58   -14.3%     109.97   -20.4%      42.61    7.1%    27.9%     352.1   382.7
38  9/24     153.60     5.0%     108.69   -12.5%      44.91  103.6%    29.2%     169.3   112.5
37  9/17     164.69    14.0%     107.37   -14.2%      57.32  197.2%    34.8%     190.8   165.2
36  9/10     128.84     0.0%     102.29   -10.5%      26.55   82.9%    20.6%     189.3    60.3
35  9/3      119.04    -9.5%     100.87   -13.7%      18.17   23.5%    15.3%      65.6    95.1
34  8/27     109.34   -13.1%      91.74   -16.6%      17.60   11.5%    16.1%      12.6    45.3
33  8/20     124.53    -4.4%     101.11   -12.8%      23.42   63.3%    18.8%     100.8    81.2
32  8/13     122.13    -1.8%      98.44    -9.5%      23.69   51.8%    19.4%     118.0   143.9
31  8/6      139.66     1.4%     111.78    -3.6%      27.88   27.9%    20.0%     189.8   133.5
30  7/30     108.78   -18.3%      89.06   -20.2%      19.72   -8.7%    18.1%      56.8   177.2
29  7/23     120.50    -1.9%      97.25    -9.4%      23.25   49.9%    19.3%      88.3    72.7
28  7/16     118.09    -4.8%      94.88   -13.5%      23.21   61.7%    19.7%     267.8    94.7
27  7/9      105.31   -16.7%      84.94   -22.7%      20.37   22.9%    19.3%       5.1    45.2										
		
Q2 DEG      1831      -15.0%    1434      -18.8%     397       9.4%    21.7%
Q2 HMM      1791.55   -12.2%    1402.94   -16.7%     388.61    9.1%    21.7%    2314.8  2422.0

26  7/2      127.11   -12.3%      96.32   -21.6%      30.79   39.4%    24.2%     102.3   181.4
25  6/25     123.25    -7.7%      98.18   -12.8%      25.07   20.1%    20.3%     205.4    85.8
24  6/18     149.89   -11.2%     114.68   -17.7%      35.21   19.5%    23.5%     208.2   142.8
23  6/11     130.81   -13.6%     103.23   -18.6%      27.58   12.3%    21.1%     305.0   152.6
22  6/4      118.16   -34.1%      96.17   -32.8%      21.99  -39.1%    18.6%      15.8   386.8
21  5/28     113.83   -16.6%      91.37   -22.9%      22.46   24.9%    19.7%     154.4    87.9
20  5/21     111.98   -15.2%      91.84   -18.9%      20.14    7.2%    18.0%      99.8   185.7
19  5/14     111.02   -23.6%      90.00   -26.8%      21.02   -6.2%    18.9%     155.6   113.6
18  5/7      122.05   -25.2%      99.74   -29.5%      22.31   -7.7%    18.3%     141.5   106.1
17  4/30     106.99   -40.6%      86.94   -39.6%      20.05  -44.5%    18.7%       0.0   120.5
16  4/23     217.30    -8.3%     171.47    -0.3%      45.83  -29.4%    21.1%     187.5   841.3
15  4/16     184.50    48.7%     134.40    24.8%      50.10  205.3%    27.2%     314.8     8.1
14  4/9      174.66    21.6%     128.60     5.9%      46.06  107.5%    26.5%     424.5     9.4
										
Q1 DEG      2068      -20.0%    1661      -25.0%     407      10.0%    19.7%		
Q1 HMM      2020.45   -23.2%    1626.20   -28.4%     394.25    9.4%    19.5%    2116.5  2857.2

13  4/2      192.11   -36.0%     144.16   -44.6%      47.95   20.1%    25.0%     300.9   461.1
12  3/26     135.54   -49.8%     110.21   -50.9%      25.33  -44.1%    18.7%     218.0   335.6
11  3/19     138.72   -46.5%     112.58   -49.6%      26.14  -27.1%    18.8%     154.2   534.3
10  3/12     146.96   -24.4%     116.11   -30.8%      30.85   16.5%    21.0%     177.0   247.2
9   3/5      174.59    -7.2%     132.93   -15.4%      41.66   34.1%    23.9%     112.3   258.8
8   2/26     160.96     4.5%     130.35    -2.5%      30.61   50.7%    19.0%     258.0    74.9
7   2/19     172.68    -8.1%     143.99   -12.7%      28.69   25.0%    16.6%      86.2    80.1
6   2/12     172.00   -19.4%     145.34   -23.1%      26.66    8.9%    15.5%     224.0   211.0
5   2/5      158.26   -16.7%     131.08   -20.8%      27.18   11.1%    17.2%      23.0   114.6
4   1/29     151.21   -14.6%     122.05   -20.9%      29.16   27.6%    19.3%     201.2   151.6
3   1/22     131.62   -16.3%     107.98   -21.0%      23.64   14.8%    18.0%      60.7    61.0
2   1/15     135.49   -17.3%     108.51   -23.9%      26.98   27.0%    19.9%     143.3   137.8
1   1/8      150.31   -14.1%     120.91   -19.5%      29.40   18.6%    19.6%     157.7   189.2

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YoY = year over year percentage change
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What I find particularly interesting is that the delta (difference) between the DVD and Blu-ray YoY revenue changes is smaller than ever. DVD is down 10.6% while Blu-ray is up 9.1%, so the delta is only 19.7%.

Last year after week 21 the delta was over 30% (DVD down 20%+ and Blu-ray up a hair over 10%), and it was nearly 40% for the year.

So is this a trend? How much lower will the delta go? Will it end up close to zero? Having DVD down only 10% when it was down over 20% last year, makes that 9.1% by Blu-ray look even worse.
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I contend it has a lot to do with the releases so far this year and the trend will turn around as the 2012 releases start hitting home video more and the summer titles hit the street latter this year. Some major strong high volumes titles this year have been DVD genre friendly so its helped DVD.

The Blu-ray YoY cumulative metric has already risen about 3% in the last five weeks and will pop up a bit more in the next three weeks with the upcoming action releases.

We will get a better idea in three weeks after the burst of better Blu-ray genre titles hit in a few weeks with John Carter, Act of Valor and Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows hitting home video release soon.

Blu-ray will perform better and regain some separation from DVD that has been hammered in the release strength disparity so far in the 2Q comparisons.
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I contend it has a lot to do with the releases so far this year and the trend will turn around as the 2012 releases start hitting home video more and the summer titles hit the street latter this year. Some major strong high volumes titles this year have been DVD genre friendly so its helped DVD.
If so, then why is the delta this quarter only 6.4%? The only top title released this quarter has been Mission Impossible 4, which got a 67% week one Blu-ray share. Twilight was released last quarter, which ended with a delta of 27.5%. I doubt there was any worthwhile carry over from last quarter since it was released in week 5.

So it sounds odd you putting so much emphasis on Twilight being so favorable to Blu-ray at this point in time, even though the Blu-ray share of that movie was over the Blu-ray overall revenue norm. And at the same time ignoring the impact of M:I:4.

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3% up in five weeks is nothing to get exited about, especially considering box office was up 34.3%.

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We will get a better idea in three weeks after the burst of better Blu-ray genre titles hit in a few weeks with John Carter, Act of Valor and Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows hitting home video release soon.
That would be true if that "burst" were the norm going forward. But one doesn't get a "better idea" of where Blu-ray is going after the good weeks any more than after the bad. And for that matter that last several weeks have been pretty good. We have near par box office for the year, so I think now is a reasonable barometer of where things stand. Certainly more so than waiting to see where they are if/when the BO YoY is up 5% again.

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What release strength disparity? You mean BO YoY? DVD is in the same boat you know. Of course, DVD doesn't depend as much on new (box office) release strength, so in that sense you would have a point. But for the year, box office is flat.
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