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Old 06-01-2012, 12:04 AM   #3091  
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BD-XL. Shame it hasn't made its way onto players but it's supported by at least some PC drives.
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Old 06-01-2012, 12:24 AM   #3092  
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And here we are, almost 6 years after the intro of BD and what "growth" has BD shown as far as technical specs?

1. Still 50GB ROM dual layer max
2. No change in the max bit rate
3. No Deep Color

The only change they made is 3D BD and all they do is spin the disc at 2X speed.

If you are going to sell something Kosty . . . you better have more than just Snake Oil to peddle.
Blu-ray still has more room to grow than HD DVD had.

Blu-ray has already grown to use Blu-ray 3D something that HD DVD probably could not have accomplished with 30GB discs.

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Read what I said, Blu-ray still has more room to grow than HD DVD ever had even if those things have not been taken advantage of yet. Its already happening for physical media backup rewritable drives that go to 100 GB.

Though even at its simplest Blu-ray is now costing roughly about what HD DVD cost to produce per disc and it has 50GB vs 30GB with a hard coat. Plus AVC encoding has gotten better as well as new lossless codecs from Dolby.

During the format war I thought Blu-ray's potential was overrated and was hardly a priority factor. But its a simple truth that not only did Blu-ray have better technical specifications but also more headroom for future potential growth that came at a cost of complexity and cost.

But its still nice to have those specs now.

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BD-XL. Shame it hasn't made its way onto players but it's supported by at least some PC drives.
Its also allowing 100 GB rewritable and 128 GB on BD-Rom discs for physical backup media.

http://www.geek.com/articles/chips/p...ding-20111214/

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The amount of times I use my DVD drive continues to diminish. All the software I use I download, and games I buy mostly in digital form. The last time I really needed an optical drive was for installing Windows 7, and since then I can count on two hands the amount of times a disc has been inserted in my PC.

Cheap, portable hard drives have increasingly replaced optical discs for storing data, as has cloud-based storage. But even so, if you have a lot of data to archive optical still makes sense from a cost perspective. Pioneer certainly believes that anyway, so it has released a new, faster Blu-ray player and recorder called the BDR-207JBK.

The reason the 207JBK is worth mentioning is due to its inclusion of BDXL support. BDXL is the enhanced Blu-ray standard using triple or quad layers in order to offer 100GB rewritable and 128GB write-once discs. Their use has been limited due to the fact you need a compatible drive to read a BDXL disc, which are expensive, and the media also remains very expensive too (Amazon has a listing for one disc that costs $85).

Depending on what data you have to backup, a 128GB disc may sound tempting. At around $231 the 207JBK isnít a cheap drive, but it does cover all bases. Your get 6x BDXL recording, 12x standard Blu-ray disc recording, 16x DVD and 40x CD.

Blu-ray recorders without BDXL support can be picked up for around $130, so you really need a very good reason to spend that extra $100 for BDXL support. The question is, just how many people need that level of storage in an optical drive anymore?
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:38 AM   #3094  
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Blu-ray still has more room to grow than HD DVD had.

Blu-ray has already grown to use Blu-ray 3D something that HD DVD probably could not have accomplished with 30GB discs.
As I have already provided evidence that the TL51 was NOT a ficticious disc format, as some claim, It too could have handled 3D the same way BD does - 51GB at 2X speed.

We know that the DVD Forum was working on triple layer discs for quite some time. Pretty much right from the beginning with their work on the TL45 GB. Plenty of documentation to show that.


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Read what I said, Blu-ray still has more room to grow than HD DVD ever had even if those things have not been taken advantage of yet. Its already happening for physical media backup rewritable drives that go to 100 GB.
I do believe that if you do some research into media backup you will see that the preferred media is not BD.

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Though even at its simplest Blu-ray is now costing roughly about what HD DVD cost to produce per disc and it has 50GB vs 30GB with a hard coat. Plus AVC encoding has gotten better as well as new lossless codecs from Dolby.
So you are saying that 6 years later, BD now costs what HD DVD did from the getgo. Not an accomplishment in my books.

How about the cost of a BD replication machine versus the HD DVD upgrade. That doesn't count does it?

AVC encoding has nothing to do with BD or HD DVD. Encoding ALWAYS improves over time. Nor does new HD Audio codecs from Dolby which as you know has not enjoyed the position as first choice by studios like it did with DVD.


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During the format war I thought Blu-ray's potential was overrated and was hardly a priority factor. But its a simple truth that not only did Blu-ray have better technical specifications but also more headroom for future potential growth that came at a cost of complexity and cost.

But its still nice to have those specs now.
And like I said . . . 6 years later - no technical improvements other than to spin the disc at 2X speed versus 1X and only for 3D content. Did you know you get a 50% increase in the bit rate by doing that? Guess they don't feel regular BDs will benefit by that increase seeing as they don't offer it for regular BD ROMs, just 3D BD ROMs.

Headroom? Sort of like the fact that your car has a speedometer that goes to 120 MPH and yet I can pretty much say with ease, you have never done that. Nor has 99% of the population.
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Its also allowing 100 GB rewritable and 128 GB on BD-Rom discs for physical backup media.

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$85 a disc! Holy Shit!
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BD-XL. Shame it hasn't made its way onto players but it's supported by at least some PC drives.
It isn't a ROM disc. It's a RAM disc.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:11 AM   #3097  
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Blu-ray still has more room to grow than HD DVD had.

Blu-ray has already grown to use Blu-ray 3D something that HD DVD probably could not have accomplished with 30GB discs.
Room to grow? It's been four years now and the best thing you can muster up is they did 3D? It required new players. HD DVD could have done the same damn thing but people were pissy that new discs might require them to go out and buy new players. Yet here were are with blu-ray requiring the same damn thing.
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Old 06-01-2012, 08:13 AM   #3098  
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$85 a disc! Holy Shit!
Go buy an external Drive. Those are like 1TB for the same price nowadays, right?

I'd trust that over a disc any day.
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Go buy an external Drive. Those are like 1TB for the same price nowadays, right?

I'd trust that over a disc any day.
I just bought a 3TB for $140. No way would I trust discs for storage over hard drives and besides it's so much cheaper and more convenient.
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Hard drives and flash drives are what the PC industry has moved onto for backup. Nobody uses discs anymore. Too slow and inconvienent.
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Hard drives and flash drives are what the PC industry has moved onto for backup. Nobody uses discs anymore. Too slow and inconvienent.
Nobody? Then who is still buying the millions of blank discs that are still being sold each year? The microcenter near me has many different brands and varieties to choose from. they restock often. If no one is purchasing why are these companies still making them??

Archival, Records Managers, Secretary of State Offices and the Library of Congress do not recognize hard drives and flash as long term storage. ARMA just recently accepts DVD and BD as archival only if its done to their specifications. If you send a hard drive to the Secretary of State office for vault storage they will immediately return it. They only use microfilm and Optical.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:57 AM   #3102  
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Nobody? Then who is still buying the millions of blank discs that are still being sold each year? The microcenter near me has many different brands and varieties to choose from. they restock often. If no one is purchasing why are these companies still making them??

Archival, Records Managers, Secretary of State Offices and the Library of Congress do not recognize hard drives and flash as long term storage. ARMA just recently accepts DVD and BD as archival only if its done to their specifications. If you send a hard drive to the Secretary of State office for vault storage they will immediately return it. They only use microfilm and Optical.
Old people love old technology. Most of us know it's not the future. Backing up to discs when move computers, laptops etc. are dropping the OD drive. Smart move.

Im gonna go record some shows on my VCR!
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Old people love old technology. Most of us know it's not the future. Backing up to discs when move computers, laptops etc. are dropping the OD drive. Smart move.

Im gonna go record some shows on my VCR!
You do that and enjoy!

Btw... What's a move computer?

Oh and People do love old technology as for example the gas powered automobile still outsells the electrics. Amazing isn't it.

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I think my local government just bought some of these to comply with some record keeping requirements that I assume the state required them to do. Or something similar. They just announced it last week.

Physical media backups or archived data either tape or physical optical disc is still required by many organizations including government, healthcare and law.

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Pioneer BDR-2207 Internal DVD/Blu-ray Burner


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Pioneer introduced the BDR-2207 Internal SATA BDXL/BD/DVD/CD Recordable Drive that can read and write to all BDXL disc formats, including BD-R and BD-RE triple-layer 100GB media, BD-R quad-layer 128GB media, as well as conventional recordable Blu-ray Disc (single-layer 25GB media and dual-layer 50GB media).

In addition, the drive features PowerRead and Pioneer's PureRead2, Auto Quiet mode, QuickStart, and Peak Power Reducer technologies.

The BDR-2207 burner is packaged with CyberLink software that gives users the ability to play standard Blu-ray and Blu-ray 3D titles on correctly configured computers, as well as author and record high-definition Blu-ray Disc content and standard-definition DVD content.



Features
PowerRead -- Provides smoother movie playback when a disc is marked with fingerprints or has minor surface scratches. When the drive is not able to read through these obstructed areas of a disc, it will quickly move forward to the next available data point, resulting in smoother Blu-ray and DVD movie playback.

PureRead2 -- Clicking or popping sounds that might normally occur due to minor scratches and fingerprints on CDs can be prevented on some discs with the drive's PureRead2 technology, which allows the drive to dynamically adjust its optical playback settings through the use of a unique algorithm.

Auto Quiet Mode -- Minimizes operating noise based on the type of use. The rotation speed changes to a quieter mode (slower speed) when watching Blu-ray and DVD titles or listening to conventional audio CDs.

QuickStart -- The amount of time between inserting a disc and the disc being ready for use has been reduced by up to 42% over previous generation models.

Peak Power Reducer -- Some computers do not provide enough power to the drive during operation. In the case of a write operation, an error will occur and cause the disc to become useless. To prevent this, the Peak Power Reducer feature, when enabled, monitors the power and can reduce the drive's peak power to ensure stable operation.

Bundled Software -- CyberLink PowerDVD 10 BD3D, PowerDirector 9 and Power2Go 7.
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The Pioneer BDR-2207 will be available in early May 2012 for $99.99.
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I think my local government just bought some of these to comply with some record keeping requirements that I assume the state required them to do. Or something similar. They just announced it last week.

http://www.ecoustics.com/electronics...ew/707675.html
Everyone in Government Healthcare and law must be old Kosty. Old technology is so passť .

Strangely and flies smack opposite of what Giz suggests many of our records managers in my office, some of the top decision makers are in their 20's while not spring chickens they are hardly old.

Btw... Blank VHS tapes are still available if one chooses to use the product. Choices in the marketplace and capitalism is wonderful isn't it!

Btw... Happy Jubilee weekend to my UK friends here! Enjoy!!
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