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Old 11-23-2011, 02:33 PM   #271  
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So that means plug and play and nothing else to buy? (assuming one already has a wireless signal being transmitted in the house)

For example this player:

http://www.amazon.com/LG-BD630-Netwo...2072219&sr=8-1
Wireless 802.11N would be best. Not too far from the router.

A lot of Netflix streaming devices are wireless...Plug, setup, play. Assuming you have a Netflix streaming account already.

http://www.roku.com/roku-products
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The other thing is that Netflix sub loss is almost entirely on the DVD-by-mail side of the house.
How many millions of streaming subscribers does Netflix have at last count?
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Old 11-23-2011, 06:37 PM   #273  
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How many millions of streaming subscribers does Netflix have at last count?
End of Q3 domestic streaming subs was 21.45 million.

End of Q4 projections are for 20-21.5 million.


On the DVD-by-mail side:

End of Q3 DVD-by-mail subs was 13.93 million.

End of Q4 projections are for 10.3 - 11.3 million.
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The other thing is that Netflix sub loss is almost entirely on the DVD-by-mail side of the house.
Which is the more profitable side of their business so those losses hurt the most.
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So that means plug and play and nothing else to buy? (assuming one already has a wireless signal being transmitted in the house)

For example this player:

http://www.amazon.com/LG-BD630-Netwo...2072219&sr=8-1
That player is only "WiFi Ready" which means you will need to buy this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003F9HH2W/...l_4i2jvpu0pn_b

For an additional $48 in order to use the player wirelessly.
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Old 11-24-2011, 08:25 AM   #276  
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That player is only "WiFi Ready" which means you will need to buy this:

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003F9HH2W/?tag=googhydr-20&hvadid=13826014907&ref=pd_sl_4i2jvpu0pn_b

For an additional $48 in order to use the player wirelessly.
Oh I see. I guess this one would work as well, it's only $20 and I bought it for my desktop.

http://www.amazon.com/Medialink-Wire...2144591&sr=1-6
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Old 11-24-2011, 09:49 AM   #277  
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Oh I see. I guess this one would work as well, it's only $20 and I bought it for my desktop.

http://www.amazon.com/Medialink-Wire...2144591&sr=1-6
Not sure if it will work. I could be wrong. But those devices usually need a driver. The LG one might be made specifically for the player. And the player will recognize it. Kinda like the wireless adaptor for the 360. Just double check that.
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Oh I see. I guess this one would work as well, it's only $20 and I bought it for my desktop.

http://www.amazon.com/Medialink-Wire...2144591&sr=1-6
Unfortunately no.

The Samsung and LG players do not have the WiFi drivers in their firmware which forces you to purchase one of their proprietary (and overpriced) WiFi adapters which have the appropriate driver built into them.

Its so bad that some Samsung adapters won't even work in all Samsung devices, requiring that each have a different specific adapter. For example: my friend's WiFi dongle from his BD Player will not work in his Samsung TV..

The only non-LG option you would have is to use a WAP (Wireless Access Point) device and plug that into the player's Ethernet port.
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Unfortunately no.

The Samsung and LG players do not have the WiFi drivers in their firmware which forces you to purchase one of their proprietary (and overpriced) WiFi adapters which have the appropriate driver built into them.

Its so bad that some Samsung adapters won't even work in all Samsung devices, requiring that each have a different specific adapter. For example: my friend's WiFi dongle from his BD Player will not work in his Samsung TV..

The only non-LG option you would have is to use a WAP (Wireless Access Point) device and plug that into the player's Ethernet port.
Oh well, thanks for the info. I'll probably pass for the time being, as I have enough content on my shelf to watch as it is, not to mention Comcast cable and a few premium channels that I never watch anyway. It was more the curiosity factor than anything.
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Top 20 Nielsen ratios are up at HMM for week ending 11/20.

Pirates 4 DVD didn't do so well, only 17% of HP7.2 week 2 sales overall. The DVD did take 82% of sales, which would be expected, but given normal HP attrition (considering it was a Friday release), perhaps only about 200k units were sold (inflated TN units of course).

If the DVD were released the same time as the BD combo, sales probably would have been 3-4 times that much. Of course, some sales were gained by BD due to the window, but one wonders how many? After all, BD sales weren't all that impressive even without accounting for it being exclusive, selling less than Cars 4 and barely more than Captain America.

Looks like a lot of money was left on the table.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/top...k-ended-112011
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Top 20 Nielsen ratios are up at HMM for week ending 11/20.

Pirates 4 DVD didn't do so well, only 17% of HP7.2 week 2 sales overall. The DVD did take 82% of sales, which would be expected, but given normal HP attrition (considering it was a Friday release), perhaps only about 200k units were sold (inflated TN units of course).

If the DVD were released the same time as the BD combo, sales probably would have been 3-4 times that much. Of course, some sales were gained by BD due to the window, but one wonders how many? After all, BD sales weren't all that impressive even without accounting for it being exclusive, selling less than Cars 4 and barely more than Captain America.

Looks like a lot of money was left on the table.

http://www.homemediamagazine.com/top...k-ended-112011
Yikes!

Wonder how Disney will talk about this during earnings!
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Wonder if Disney will can the 4 week DVD delay now that millions have been lost?
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Wonder if Disney will can the 4 week DVD delay now that millions have been lost?
Or were just never there to be had.

As I said in another thread, PotC 4 was nowhere near as popular as HP7.2 and as such should be expected to under perform when compared to it.

Also keep in mind that the "Blu-Ray release" did include a DVD copy so it is reasonable to assume that many people who wanted to own this movie whether on BD or DVD already purchased it weeks ago.

If anything, the dismal sales of the DVD only sku may convince the Disney execs that the time for marketing "DVD only" versions is coming to an end.
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Or were just never there to be had.

As I said in another thread, PotC 4 was nowhere near as popular as HP7.2 and as such should be expected to under perform when compared to it.

Also keep in mind that the "Blu-Ray release" did include a DVD copy so it is reasonable to assume that many people who wanted to own this movie whether on BD or DVD already purchased it weeks ago.

If anything, the dismal sales of the DVD only sku may convince the Disney execs that the time for marketing "DVD only" versions is coming to an end.
So people who wanted the DVD paid more money to get it plus a disc they would never watch? Doubtful. Disney lost tens of millions. It's brutal.
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So people who wanted the DVD paid more money to get it plus a disc they would never watch? Doubtful. Disney lost tens of millions. It's brutal.
We do not even have any unit estimates yet for the DVD release.

The DVD release also has Black Friday and the rest of the holiday season to generate sales as well to the cost conscious DVD only buyers and retailers have the opportunity to discount it further to increase revenues. The entire holiday season sales period was clearly a part of the Disney strategy for the release as well as the Blu-ray promotional aspect of it that Disney gains from that you always want to ignore. That was an important part of the calculation as delaying the DVD only release obviously had a Blu-ray promotional component to it as well.

How many millions will Disney gain from increased family adoption of Blu-ray during the holiday season?

The BD+DVD skus were sold at a premium non discounted price so less units would generate more revenue than discounted DVDs at retail.

Other titles like Harry Potter seem to be selling well so the consumer preference for the specific title of POTC4 also seems to have something to do with its performance as well.
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