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Old 04-07-2012, 01:41 PM   #2371  
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Six years after the VCR was introduced, they did not sell for $100 like BD players do. Nowheres near that price point.
Plus VCR's only played VHS tapes. That's it.

Those $100 BD players not only play Blu-ray discs, but DVDs and numerous Streaming Apps.
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Plus VCR's only played VHS tapes. That's it.

Those $100 BD players not only play Blu-ray discs, but DVDs and numerous Streaming Apps.
They also recorded Tv programs, something BD players have yet to do in the USA.
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They also recorded Tv programs, something BD players have yet to do in the USA.
Eh. With DVRs I don't think that's really an important function anymore.
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Eh. With DVRs I don't think that's really an important function anymore.
With DVRs, Hulu, Netflix.....
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Eh. With DVRs I don't think that's really an important function anymore.
You can't archive saved recordings on a DVR. Not like you can with a removable media. Storage is unlimited and not tied to some TV provider service.
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You can't archive saved recordings on a DVR. Not like you can with a removable media. Storage is unlimited and not tied to some TV provider service.
I think they're implying that you shouldn't even think about archiving, because that's like collecting, man. It smacks of buying OD, just not on a monetary scale.
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I think they're implying that you shouldn't even think about archiving, because that's like collecting, man. It smacks of buying OD, just not on a monetary scale.
And yet OD sales are up Q1. So collecting isn't out of vogue as some claim it is right?
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And yet OD sales are up Q1. So collecting isn't out of vogue as some claim it is right?
Apparently not. I don't see it ever going out of vogue either, at least anywhere where disposable income exists. It's part of human nature for many, and those that can, do.
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Apparently not. I don't see it ever going out of vogue either, at least anywhere where disposable income exists. It's part of human nature for many, and those that can, do.
I think the whole argument that sell through is dead (as an excuse for Blu-ray weakness) is a fallacy.

The concept of owning content is not dead. The concept of owning a disc that sits on the shelf watched once (or not at all) is dead.
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I think the whole argument that sell through is dead (as an excuse for Blu-ray weakness) is a fallacy.

The concept of owning content is not dead. The concept of owning a disc that sits on the shelf watched once (or not at all) is dead.
Well I don't believe there ever was such a concept. No one buys a movie intended to watch it only once or not at all, unless it is rental priced ($5 or less).

I think it's that consumers are becoming increasingly aware of the reality that their existing collections are being under utilized, and further is compounded by the fact that the DVD titles on their shelf are one by one becoming obsolete. It is definitely not a motivating factor to finally watch a DVD that you have owned for years, fully knowing that a better version is readily available. It definitely discourages the traditional ownership model.

And unless free upgrades are available for UV, that format will likewise be limited by the same constraints (becoming technically obsolete) that have throttled DVD collectors.
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Old 04-07-2012, 07:45 PM   #2381  
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Well I don't believe there ever was such a concept. No one buys a movie intended to watch it only once or not at all, unless it is rental priced ($5 or less).
It was more than a concept. It was and is reality. That is peoples actual experience with buying discs.

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I think it's that consumers are becoming increasingly aware of the reality that their existing collections are being under utilized, and further is compounded by the fact that the DVD titles on their shelf are one by one becoming obsolete. It is definitely not a motivating factor to finally watch a DVD that you have owned for years, fully knowing that a better version is readily available. It definitely discourages the traditional ownership model.

And unless free upgrades are available for UV, that format will likewise be limited by the same constraints that have throttled DVD collectors.
There is certainly a double whammy for the studios. First, people know that a disc on the shelf is just that. A disc on the shelf that likely will not be watched more than once. Plus the fact that any DVD purchased is effectively obsolete by the better disc version sitting next to it on the store shelf.

That makes DVDs performance this year so amazing. Even with that obsolete fact, people are choosing with their spending dollars to break DVDs sales trends while Blu-ray continues to suffer from premature peaking.
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It was more than a concept. It was and is reality. That is peoples actual experience with buying discs.
I meant that it wasn't a concept, in the sense that under-utilizing a product isn't a driving force behind its purchase. One doesn't go to Best Buy and see something they like and say "hey I'm going to watch this only once or maybe not at all. I'd better get this." In order to get full value from an OD, one has to watch it several times (usually, depending on price). However in order to do that, one generally has to wait a few years before the desire returns to watch it again, and that's if such a desire exists and preempts the usually more appealing desire to watch something new for the first time. Additionally, the passage of time makes it likely that the product will be technically obsolete by the time it viewed enough times to be considered a worthwhile purchase, especially given the increasingly short life span of formats that are superceded by the next (only 9 years for DVD).
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I meant that it wasn't a concept, in the sense that under-utilizing a product isn't a driving force behind its purchase. One doesn't go to Best Buy and see something they like and say "hey I'm going to watch this only once or maybe not at all. I'd better get this." In order to get full value from an OD, one has to watch it several times (usually, depending on price). However in order to do that, one generally has to wait a few years before the desire returns to watch it again, and that's if such a desire exists and preempts the usually more appealing desire to watch something new for the first time. Additionally, the passage of time makes it likely that the product will be technically obsolete by the time it viewed enough times to be considered a worthwhile purchase, especially given the increasingly short life span of formats that are superceded by the next (only 9 years for DVD).
I know what you were getting at, but I was trying to point out that the majority of the population know realizes that purchasing a disc will likely end up in a single viewing. There are exceptions for individual buyers and titles (kids movies still get lot of rewatch).

But everyone (including the studios) know that a disc on the shelf usually does little more than sit on the shelf.
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I know what you were getting at, but I was trying to point out that the majority of the population know realizes that purchasing a disc will likely end up in a single viewing. There are exceptions for individual buyers and titles (kids movies still get lot of rewatch).

But everyone (including the studios) know that a disc on the shelf usually does little more than sit on the shelf.

If "everyone" knows that then why are more than 10 million DVD and Blu-ray units still being sold generating more than $100 M in revenues week after week?


Most consumers do not put that much thought into routine retail purchases and even if they did it seems clear that many consumers still consider a purchase of a DVD or Blu-ray Disc to be a good value.
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If "everyone" knows that then why are more than 10 million DVD and Blu-ray units still being sold generating more than $100 M in revenues week after week?


Most consumers do not put that much thought into routine retail purchases and even if they did it seems clear that many consumers still consider a purchase of a DVD or Blu-ray Disc to be a good value.
Not everyone lets movies go unwatched sitting on their shelf. But as the market continues to saturate and more and more of them accumulate on people's shelf, there comes an increased awareness that maybe buying discs isn't as good as value as what they thought.

And that's especially true when they also realize that their collection is becoming obsolete as the HD versions come out. I think this a part of what's holding Blu-ray back. People don't want to start collecting Blu-ray and have them become obsolete as well in 5-10 years.

I don't consider OD purchases to be "routine". It's true that studios depend on the spontaneous purchase and without that mindset then OD sales would probably be 1/2 of what they are now. But only collectors make routine purchases.
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