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Old 04-06-2012, 07:04 AM   #2341  
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Gees. Same, boring argument. You were not even around during the format war so you really can't judge anyone. You have no history to back up anything. How many times has Lee mentioned HD DVD in your 5 month or so registration here at HDF? What about Mal?

Sorry that you can't get over something that you didn't participate in. All of us have been around a long, long time. You're like the 12 year old kid who talks about how awesome the NES was. You were not around.
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You might have had a point if DVD was the only other format. But there is also VHS and laserdisc. I've never called VHS a failure. I guess you think it was. Because I never called it a failure. In fact I've always said if Bluray could at least get close to VHS or DVDs numbers I'd consider it a success. As it is it's not even going to get close to VHS. Is that what chaps your hide? Again. Very poor analogy. Nobody is trying to make this as simple as you are trying to make it sound like we are. But at this point I guess it's all you got. That and bringing up HDDVD. Newsflash! That format has been dead for awhile. You are not getting to anyone bringing it up. I know you think you are. But you're not.

You guys have NO PROBLEM whatsoever repeatedly bringing up incorrect expectations from 2008 but as soon as someone brings up incorrect picking of formats you get upset and tell them they are living in the past. Yet it is OK to bring up 4 year old expectations. It is hypocritical.

The fact is you guys sit around here and admonish people for picking the right format with the wrong expectations, when you couldn't even get the first part right. It is hypocritical.

Even your ex-compatriot says so:
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Its undeniable that most of the most prominent remaining skeptical posters here were HD DVD owners and prominent strong HD DVD advocates during the format war (as was I).
And the internet from 2006-now backs him up if you need explicit proof.

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Old 04-06-2012, 07:07 AM   #2342  
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The Pro-Blu fans say that they are still releasing new movies each week on on the BD. LOL - and that's pretty much the end of their positives. And from that they deem BD a success.
Compared to some other formats, it clearly is.

Some formats don't release anything. Some formats never even made $1B dollars.

Please show me another HD format that makes more money than bluray. Please. Please do.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:10 AM   #2343  
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You guys have NO PROBLEM whatsoever repeatedly bringing up incorrect expectations from 2008 but as soon as someone brings up incorrect picking of formats you get upset and tell them they are living in the past. Yet it is OK to bring up 4 year old expectations. It is hypocritical.

The fact is you guys sit around here and admonish people for picking the right format with the wrong expectations, when you couldn't even get the first part right. It is hypocritical.

Even your ex-compatriot says so:


And the internet from 2006-now backs him up if you need explicit proof.
You have no idea what we said as you were not a member here or anywhere else during that time period. You are simply trying to bait people into talking about a dead format to get others to stop discussing the numerous issues with Blu-ray. Discuss things that are relevant. HD DVD is not in this instance.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:28 AM   #2344  
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You have no idea what we said as you were not a member here or anywhere else during that time period. You are simply trying to bait people into talking about a dead format to get others to stop discussing the numerous issues with Blu-ray. Discuss things that are relevant. HD DVD is not in this instance.
1) DO NOT TELL ME WHAT I KNOW.

2) High Definition Media A place to discuss BD, HD DVD and D-VHS and things that affect adoption of HD Media.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:34 AM   #2345  
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1) DO NOT TELL ME WHAT I KNOW.

2) High Definition Media A place to discuss BD, HD DVD and D-VHS and things that affect adoption of HD Media.
1. You know nothing. You have been a member here for only 5 months and have no past at any of the other forums we've discussed these formats on (AVS, HDD etc.). You did not participate in any HD DVD vs Blu-ray debates in 2006/2007/2008/2009/2010/most of 2011. Most others here have. We all know each other. You can't tell us what we picked because you don't know. You simply couldn't unless you lurked for 5 years or have a lot of free time to read up on previous discussions.

2. In context. You are not talking about HD DVD in the correct context. Bringing it up to change the subject or bait people is not what that little moniker means (nor is it really relevant anymore since that's been in place sine 2006 - D-VHS is also long dead)

Eventually, and most likely sooner rather than later, members will simply put you on ignore and you'll be talking to yourself (and Pro-Blu people).
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Ok guys, enough please.
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:46 AM   #2347  
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1. You know nothing. You have been a member here for only 5 months and have no past at any of the other forums we've discussed these formats on (AVS, HDD etc.). You did not participate in any HD DVD vs Blu-ray debates in 2006/2007/2008/2009/2010/most of 2011. Most others here have. We all know each other. You can't tell us what we picked because you don't know.
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You simply couldn't unless you lurked for 5 years or have a lot of free time to read up on previous discussions.
You just answered your own inquiry then. Case closed.
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Compared to some other formats, it clearly is.

Some formats don't release anything. Some formats never even made $1B dollars.

Please show me another HD format that makes more money than bluray. Please. Please do.
Cripes! you are stuck on this BD versus HD DVD drivel

GET OVER IT!
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Old 04-06-2012, 08:52 AM   #2349  
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Ok guys, enough please.
Not a problem. He'll be going on my ignore list shortly (along with others, I suspect).
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Old 04-06-2012, 09:00 AM   #2350  
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Cripes! you are stuck on this BD versus HD DVD drivel

GET OVER IT!
Just as soon as everyone else does.


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Old 04-06-2012, 01:08 PM   #2351  
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What I can clearly see is ...
What I can see clearly is, your data needs to be adjusted to 2012 dollars to be meaningful.

Using your data and adjusting to today's dollars;

2011 Total Home Video Revenue = Total Home Video Revenue from 1989


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What I can clearly see is the clear temporary nature of the sell through bulge from 2002 to 2008...
When adjusted to today's dollars, it becomes apparent that sell-through has dropped from $17.1 billion (in 2012 dollars) in 2004 to $9 billion in 2011.

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Thanks.

It still shows a dramatic acceleration during the best years of DVD that is a relatively short period of time and is unlikely to be ever repeated as it was a very unique set of circumstances.

Last year was basically at the level that 2002 was at.


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What I can see clearly is, your data needs to be adjusted to 2012 dollars to be meaningful.

Using your data and adjusting to today's dollars;

2011 Total Home Video Revenue = Total Home Video Revenue from 1989


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When adjusted to today's dollars, it becomes apparent that sell-through has dropped from $17.1 billion (in 2012 dollars) in 2004 to $9 billion in 2011.




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All the inflation adjustment does is alter the magnitude and not the trend. We all know its fallen from the peak years of DVD. Not much new there except to muse about the size of the drop.
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So if the DVD era was a "temporary bulge", what's the norm? All I know is that it was zero until VHS came along and then it started bulging until Blu-ray came along.
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