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Old 03-22-2012, 08:08 PM   #2101  
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Online movies: the future, today
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In 2012 Americans will pay to consume 3.4bn movies online. This equates to pver 1bn movies per year than are consumed on DVD and Blu-ray combined - putting the final nail in the old idea that consumers won't accept premium content distributed online.

The principal driver of this surge in consumption was the growth in Netflix's digital subscribers, and the corresponding change in movie consumption towards something more TV-like along with the snacking and sampling that entails.

Nevertheless the growth of online SVOD does create some potential concerns going forward: as consumers are greeted with a deep catalogue of content to watch, there is a very real chance that they may not feel the need to maintain the same level of incremental spend on home entertainment.

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US: Movie transactions/views 2007-2016
US: Movie viewing time from thraditional home entertainment outlets 2004-2016
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Netflix: customers with access to streaming content
Movie deals: Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu Plus
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:22 PM   #2102  
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"putting the final nail in the old idea that consumers won't accept premium content distributed online"

Apparently they have never used Netflix streaming.

Unless "Toxic Avenger" is now classified as "premium content".

And as I said here:
http://www.highdefforum.com/1246422-post41.html
those digital movies bring in far less money.

Those 3.4B digital views will make $1.7B. Those 2.4B disc views will make $11.3B.

Raise your hand if you think Hollywood studios would rather have 1B more digital viewings, or ~$10B more money?

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Old 03-22-2012, 09:40 PM   #2103  
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Analog TVs are not sold but some SDTV and EDTV standard definition digital TVs still are still available wih a digital ATSC tuner and allowed to be sold, especially in smaller sizes and cheaper price points.

But you are right that HDTVs are so cheap now that the vast majority of sales are HDTVs.

Plus many HDTVs still are 720p and not full 1080p as well.
According to the ATSC, 720P is considered High Definition
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According to the ATSC, 720P is considered High Definition
Right but not EDTV or SDTV.
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Right but not EDTV or SDTV.
And what sizes are these EDTVs and SDTVs?
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And what sizes are these EDTVs and SDTVs?
All the ones I have seen in the past few years have been 32 inches or smaller and most smaller than that.

Pretty much at major retail the larger ones since 2010 have all been displaced by 720p or 1080p cheap HDTVs
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So posting disparaging comments about a certain technology for 6 years on a near daily basis isn't an agenda?

If that isn't an agenda what is??
What is my agenda?

I have no interest in buying movies digitally.

Please, let me know.
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What is my agenda?

I have no interest in buying movies digitally.

Please, let me know.
You've been talking trash about Sony/bluray for over 1/2 a decade on the internet. Don't play dumb.
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You've been talking trash about Sony/bluray for over 1/2 a decade on the internet. Don't play dumb.
So what's my agenda? What have I been "pushing" for over 1/2 a decade?
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A few posts were deleted and any further attack posts will be deleted and the poster given an infraction. Attack the post and not the poster please.
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Old 03-23-2012, 10:32 AM   #2111  
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So what's my agenda? What have I been "pushing" for over 1/2 a decade?
HD DVD. Apple. 360.

Pretty much anything but PS3/bluray.

Please act less surprised.
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So what's my agenda? What have I been "pushing" for over 1/2 a decade?
Well, when it comes to "pushing" a product, I use my wallet. So I guess I push DVD, Xbox 360, Wii, Blu ray, Apple, and Sony. I have had no luck with the PS3 so I will not throw good money after bad on that console, but Sony is the only brand of BD player I will buy.
Since I own hundreds of Blu rays, I had an agenda I didn't know about
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Raise your hand if you think Hollywood studios would rather have 1B more digital viewings, or ~$10B more money?




Jeff Bewkes, CEO of Time Warner:

Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes: TV And Movie Industries “Need To Fix” On Demand

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The Time Warner chief delivered an unusually impassioned address today imploring investors to pressure everyone from pay TV distributors to Hollywood studios to deploy on-demand streaming initiatives including TV Everywhere and UltraViolet home video. “Not enough consumers are aware of these powerful enhancements and not enough consumers have them at their fingertips,” Bewkes told the Deutsche Bank Media & Telecom Conference. “We have to move much fasterYou should absolutely demand that the companies in which you invest get serious and invest in this opportunity.” He’s most interested in television, the business that accounts for about 80% of Time Warner’s profits — and especially TV Everywhere, which gives pay TV subscribers the ability to watch shows on mobile devices on demand. ”The user experience today is really spotty. Some distributors make it easy and others don’t. You know who they are and so do they.” Specifically, Bewkes wants programmers to make more content available to TV Everywhere. He wants programs to be available on TV sets as well as tablets. He wants Nielsen to figure out how to measure the number of viewers on all digital platforms. And he wants distributors to make it easy to find and access programming. “You shouldn’t need to be knocked upside the head by an iPad to realize that consumers are demanding rich, flexible, intuitive user interfaces,” he says. Consumers “think they deserve it, and they do. And they’re voting with their finger tips everyday.”

He also wants the movie industry to expand its online presence. Although home video revenues are declining, Bewkes says that “the encouraging news is we don’t have a demand issue.” The problem for the studios is that people are buying less and renting more, especially from low-cost providers led by Redbox and Netflix. He says that Hollywood shares some of the blame. “It has not been easy to buy a movie digitally to manage your digital collection and to watch it on the device of your choosing, particularly the television,” he says. As a result, the industry has come to a crossroads. We know consumers want to buy today, but they can’t do it with the ease and functionality that they have come to expect. We need to fix that and we should fix it quickly. If we don’t, we run the real risk of habituating consumers to rental when in fact they may prefer to own and build collections of movies.” That’s also why he wants to accelerate the rollout of the industry’s UltraViolet initiative, which makes it possible for people who buy DVD and Blu-ray discs to also stream the films. Although some of the early releases have been hard to access, “we don’t have the luxury of waiting for the perfect solution.” He says that consumers are used to seeing products improve over time. “We need to start this and get everybody including retailers involved in this effort.”
Jeff Bewkes disagrees with you 100%. He made an impassioned plea to rally the industry to move online less than a month ago. He stressed that everyone from retailers to content provides must move forward with digital initiatives with great urgency.



Jeff Bewkes Exhorting Retailers and Studios to Embrace Digital Delivery

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Well, when it comes to "pushing" a product, I use my wallet. So I guess I push DVD, Xbox 360, Wii, Blu ray, Apple, and Sony. I have had no luck with the PS3 so I will not throw good money after bad on that console, but Sony is the only brand of BD player I will buy.
Since I own hundreds of Blu rays, I had an agenda I didn't know about

That's what it comes down to Silverado. Actions are what reveal any true agenda. I've got about 300 Blu-rays I think (my sig is way out of date), probably Gizmo has way more than that. Kind of hard to hate something and keep buying it at the same time. I don't need a PS3 (not much of gamer and I already have a couple of 360s), and I don't buy Apple products because you have to buy their software and I'm used to 3rd party support with Windows and Google (on the Droid). Going to Apple to me would be like moving from the US to North Korea. So I guess you can call me an Apple or PS3 hater because I would never buy those things.
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Jeff Bewkes, CEO of Time Warner:

Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes: TV And Movie Industries “Need To Fix” On Demand

Jeff Bewkes disagrees with you 100%. He made an impassioned plea to rally the industry to move online less than a month ago. He stressed that everyone from retailers to content provides must move forward with digital initiatives with great urgency.



Jeff Bewkes Exhorting Retailers and Studios to Embrace Digital Delivery
Not really. But nice try.

If you had understood the context of my comment, it was clearly in reference to the 94% of online videos being from Netflix and Amazon. And that they generate a mere .51 cents per view. You remember the fond words Bewkes had for Netflix right?
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A year ago, when Netflix stock was soaring and lots of smart people thought the company could upend the cable industry, Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes went out of his way to diminish the video service: The “Albanian Army,” he famously called it.
And if you didn’t understand that one, he offered another metaphor: A “200-pound chimp.”
In the following months, Bewkes cut back on his rhetoric, which may or may not have had anything to do with a lucrative deal to sell reruns of “Gossip Girl” to Netflix. But now that deal has been inked, Netflix stock has been crushed and lots of smart people think the video service may be on a permanent spiral.
So here’s Bewkes again, damning his new partners with very faint praise, this time in the Financial Times instead of the New York Times: Netflix and similar services (read: Hulu and Amazon, for now) can’t get the best stuff anymore, he says, and are stuck showing “archival content that nobody would want in Blockbuster.”
Not that there’s anything wrong with that! Bewkes adds. “It can do certain things and not other things. It can fly, it’s not a submarine. Don’t turn a hamburger into a cow.”
http://allthingsd.com/20111205/jeff-...ing-hamburger/

Your above comment is Bewkes talking about buying movies digitally. That is different than Netflix. You are mixing categories.

Bewkes knows that Netflix can't support Hollywood, since they merely accumulate catalog that no one gives a shit about on the cheap, which is why in the article he is pushing digital ownership models, because ownership is what brings in DOLLARS instead of streaming bringing in PENNIES. So Bewkes is actually in agreement with me - Netflix and .51 cent/view subscription VOD simply isn't enough to pay the bills, which is exactly what my comment suggested. Bewkes wants people to buy. He could give a shit if they buy it and watch it once so long as they pay the purchase price.

You use a quote from Bewkes talking about ownership whereas my comment concerned subscription ($7.99 or less) VOD. Two different things. Get that straight before coming at me please.

By the way, who says Bewkes is right? He will find out soon enough the demand to own digital content is not as strong as he is telling people it is.

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