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Old 03-22-2012, 01:03 PM   #2086  
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Somehow I can't see Gizmo having an agenda. Someone who truly has an agenda expends far more time and effort towards that end.
So posting disparaging comments about a certain technology for 6 years on a near daily basis isn't an agenda?

If that isn't an agenda what is??
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:12 PM   #2087  
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Pssssst . . . they don't sell SDTVs anymore. So yes - HDTVs have replaced SDTVs. Been that way for a while now.
Analog TVs are not sold but some SDTV and EDTV standard definition digital TVs still are still available wih a digital ATSC tuner and allowed to be sold, especially in smaller sizes and cheaper price points.

But you are right that HDTVs are so cheap now that the vast majority of sales are HDTVs.

Plus many HDTVs still are 720p and not full 1080p as well.
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Old 03-22-2012, 01:14 PM   #2088  
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So posting disparaging comments about a certain technology for 6 years on a near daily basis isn't an agenda?

If that isn't an agenda what is??
A habit and interesting personal entertainment activity?

That's what it is for me in any case with my 10,000s of posts over the years being skeptical and then appreciative of Blu-ray.

Not so much an agenda for me as a habitual expression of my point of view and an interesting subject that I love talking about and seeing how the market progresses over time.

Few posters have as many comments as me or GizmoDVD or bruceames over the years talking about HD DVD or Blu-ray.

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Old 03-22-2012, 04:14 PM   #2089  
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So posting disparaging comments about a certain technology for 6 years on a near daily basis isn't an agenda?

If that isn't an agenda what is??
I call it an opinion, and as long as those disparaging comments are not directed towards another member than there's not a problem. I don't know what you called yourself 6 years ago, but in any case I think we all know where each other stands and it's immaterial whether somebody's take in general, on a certain subject, is more of a positive or negative nature. Both sides are welcome here and the interest is what fuels the discussion. I have noticed your take on digital/UV is somewhat less than positive.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:00 PM   #2090  
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I have noticed your take on digital/UV is somewhat less than positive.
Speaking of which:

Bloomberg - Online Film Viewing in U.S. to Top Discs in 2012, IHS Says


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Online movie viewing in the U.S. will exceed digital video disc and Blu-ray use for the first time this year, according to researcher IHS Screen Digest.

Legal online viewings of films will more than double to 3.4 billion this year from 1.4 billion in 2011, IHS said today in a statement. Physical viewings of DVDs and Blu-ray discs will shrink to 2.4 billion from 2.6 billion, according to the forecast.

Unlimited-streaming subscription plans, including those offered by Netflix Inc. (NFLX) and online retailer Amazon.com (AMZN)’s Prime service, accounted for 94 percent of all paid online movie consumption in the U.S. last year, Englewood, Colorado-based IHS said. Streamed movies have been replacing video discs, much as streamed music is overtaking compact audio discs.

“We are looking at the beginning of the end of the age of movies on physical media like DVD and Blu-ray,” Dan Cryan, IHS senior principal analyst, said in the statement. “But the transition is likely to take time: almost nine years after the launch of the iTunes Store, CDs are still a vital part of the music business.”

The report highlights the price disparity between online purchases and movies sold in retail shops. Consumers paid an average of 51 cents for every movie consumed online, compared with $4.72 for physically purchased videos, IHS found.

Five major studios announced on March 13 an exclusive agreement with Wal-Mart Stores Inc. (WMT) that may re-ignite home- video purchases by giving consumers the option to store digital copies in the cloud. The program, called disc-to-digital, lets consumers pay a fee to convert physical libraries to digital, and could become a new source of revenue.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:29 PM   #2091  
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But both Blu-ray revenue and unit marketshare are steadily rising over time with the possibility of even faster rate of change if retail tipping points are reached and Blu-ray starts to displace DVD more at retail as time goes along.
Yes...You have mentioned blu-ray hitting a tipping point, where growth would start to accelerate, many, many, many times over the past four years.

From another article on the same online study:

US Audiences to Pay More for Online Movies in 2012 than for Physical Videos - FierceIPTV

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"After more than 30 years of buying and renting movies on tapes and discs, this year marks the tipping point as U.S. consumers now are making a historic switch to Internet-based consumption, setting the stage for a worldwide migration of consumption from physical to online," Cryan said.
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Old 03-22-2012, 05:33 PM   #2092  
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We are looking at the beginning of the end of the age of movies on physical media like DVD and Blu-ray,” Dan Cryan, IHS senior principal analyst, said in the statement. “But the transition is likely to take time: almost nine years after the launch of the iTunes Store, CDs are still a vital part of the music business.”
That does not seem to be that controversial at all.
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The shift isn't so much from physical to otherwise, but from tradition cable/sat to online. Streaming is like watching TV basically.

Just look at the numbers in the article. OD viewings drop by 0.2 billion while online increases by ten times that much (2.0 billion). Most of that other 1.8 billion is coming from traditional cable/sat.

That's what makes the DEG counting streaming as digital revenue kind of bogus.
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I'm sure the studios and retailers are thrilled that movie viewing on $8 Netflix unlimited subscription video on demand has more views than high margin DVD Blu-ray or digital EST transactions.

Its not like those Netflix movies are recent releases anymore as well.

Its funny though those numbers project less of a decline in OD sellthrough as much as a larger increase in SVOD viewing.
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The shift isn't so much from physical to otherwise, but from tradition cable/sat to online. Streaming is like watching TV basically.

Just look at the numbers in the article. OD viewings drop by 0.2 billion while online increases by ten times that much (2.0 billion). Most of that other 1.8 billion is coming from traditional cable/sat.
Exactly right. TV and old movies on demand when you want it on Netflix in the home and on portable devices is gaining a lot of usage from traditional cable/sat. But a lot of that is increased mobile usage as well.

I deal with some regional and local cable companies and also keep track of some cable statistics and OTA broadcast and cable channel usage. I can tell you that the rise of Netflix and over the top Internet viewing is seriously impacting traditional cable viewing and usage. More and more cable companies are gaining more as Internet ISPs than they are keeping their traditional cable usage fee bases. But cable/sat is still attriting less than Netflix/ over the top is growing. Its like the kids have their faces stuck on portable screens more and more on top of previous usage.

Netflix and other Internet usage is impacting cable even more that it is physical media sales in many people's minds.

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Old 03-22-2012, 06:56 PM   #2096  
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The shift isn't so much from physical to otherwise, but from tradition cable/sat to online. Streaming is like watching TV basically.

Just look at the numbers in the article. OD viewings drop by 0.2 billion while online increases by ten times that much (2.0 billion). Most of that other 1.8 billion is coming from traditional cable/sat.
Also, the report says it's comparing movie viewing, so why is there such a disparity between hours viewed?

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The legal, paid consumption of movies online in the United States will reach 3.4 billion views or transactions in 2012, approximately 1.0 billion units higher than the 2.4 billion for physical video for this year
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Although it is declining, physical video this year will still command more viewing time from Americans, who will spend an estimated 4.3 billion hours on DVDs and Blu-ray discs, compared to 3.2 billion hours for movies online.
I can understand people might start watching a movie on spec and switch to something else if it's crap, but even so an average viewing time of less than 60 minutes seems very low?

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Also, the report says it's comparing movie viewing, so why is there such a disparity between hours viewed?





I can understand people might start watching a movie on spec and switch to something else if it's crap, but even so an average viewing time of less than 60 minutes seems very low?

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Conflating TV episode viewing with theatrical movie viewing?

We know a lot of TV episodes are watched on Netflix streaming.
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That does not seem to be that controversial at all.
Consumer perception is growing that discs are dying. Every one of these articles drives that perception deeper into the consumer psyche.

Businessweek: Online Film Viewing in U.S. to Top Discs in 2012, IHS Says

CNN Money: Americans now watch more online movies than DVDs

People see headlines like that, and start looking for alternatives.
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Consumer perception is growing that discs are dying. Every one of these articles drives that perception deeper into the consumer psyche.

Businessweek: Online Film Viewing in U.S. to Top Discs in 2012, IHS Says

CNN Money: Americans now watch more online movies than DVDs

People see headlines like that, and start looking for alternatives.
You are reaching. So people let news headlines dictate the way they consume media? When they drive past a Redbox theyare going to think "But that article on Forbes said people use the internet now".

Plus, these statistics are bullshit projections.

For example:
I watch episodes 1-4 of Dexter on Netflix. That counts as 4 "views".

I put in disc 1 of Dexter on DVD, which contains episodes 1-4. It counts as just one "view".

In reality I viewed the same amount of content, however, digital "views" are 4x the DVD "view".
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Consumer perception is growing that discs are dying. Every one of these articles drives that perception deeper into the consumer psyche.

Businessweek: Online Film Viewing in U.S. to Top Discs in 2012, IHS Says

CNN Money: Americans now watch more online movies than DVDs

People see headlines like that, and start looking for alternatives.
Most consumers that consume media or buy discs at their local Best Buy or Walmart each week have no clue about an IHS report or an article at Forbes.com. You and I might care and follow this stuff in detail but not most consumers who in their blissful ignorance keep on spending billions and billions on shiny discs each year.
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