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Old 03-21-2012, 10:36 PM   #2071  
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Maybe I'm dating myself here but I remember when Happy Feet came out during the format war on HD DVD and Blu-ray.

23% share is a big change from the pathetic numbers that title had during the format war years. Big change over the years.

Happy Feet came out on WE April 15, 2007 and sold only around 10,000 HD DVD and Blu-ray units that week. That would not even register against DVD in marketshare back then. Lots of progress since those format war days.
So that's what it's come down to? Using format war market shares to show dramatic improvement?! WoW.
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:41 PM   #2072  
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We all realize that you will continue to do what you do.

If you want to use the lowest number you can see as an average example then that's your own delusion and distortion of the reality of the situation.

Whatever floats your boat. At least we will all be clear of your agenda.
Somehow I can't see Gizmo having an agenda. Someone who truly has an agenda expends far more time and effort towards that end.
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:43 PM   #2073  
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So if it's only 1-2% difference, then why are you making such a big deal about Nielsen excluding Walmart? You did just use bold red lettering, didn't you?
Sorry, you misunderstood the intent of that.

I was not making a big deal out of the Walmart being excluded in relationship to any of the performance of this weeks titles at all.

I only highlighted it as a Home Media Magazine published confirmation of the answer to the question we had on the subject of Nielsen Videoscan first alert including Walmart data in their chart calculations.

I was just highlighting that announcement of Walmart still not being included in the Nielsen Videoscan stats.

I agree that its much closer now than it was in the past and for most titles its not going to make a big difference anymore. Its not like with Avatar when the studio announced Blu-ray marketshare was 6% points below the published Nielsen Videoscan first alert numbers for a Blu-ray friendly genre anymore.

Its going to be a bit more for something like Twilight Saga that does huge female volumes at Walmart. For most titles it probably does not matter much anymore as Blu-ray has become more mainstream and does more volumes at Walmart as it matures. as a successful consumer mass market product category.

Ever since last fall its been a lot closer at Walmart so its less and less of a factor for most genres an titles as time goes on an Blu-ray steadily increases it household penetration.
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Old 03-21-2012, 10:48 PM   #2074  
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So that's what it's come down to? Using format war market shares to show dramatic improvement?! WoW.
I was just taking a walk down memory lane as I remember the big deal of the Happy Feet release head to head on Blu-ray vs HD DVD.

Obviously a Blu-ray release five years later is expected of course to be order of magnitude greater volumes.

But its funny at the time we we all so focused on the marketshare struggle between HD DVD and Blu-ray during the HD format war times that most of us never contemplated or really knew on how pathetic the actual volumes were at the time.

We did not even get Blu-ray or HD DVD unit marketshare percentages at the time because they were both so darn low.

Even the most successful titles had cumulative totals that were less than what we see for average new to Blu-ray catalog releases now a days.






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New Statistics from Nielsen Videoscan are in.

Week Ended 04/15/2007
Blu-ray: 61%
HD DVD: 39%

Year-to-date
Blu-ray: 69%
HD DVD: 31%

Since Inception
Blu-ray: 57%
HD DVD: 43%

Link: http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/ques...hp?startpage=2
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/high...tml#post113699

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Yep, 20% last year, 24% this year. Slow but steady. At this rate, Blu-ray will be at 50% in 2020.

Oh, and it's no more factual to state one extreme or another. It is deceptive to pass off the higher title share as if they were representative of the whole. Gizmo is just bringing balance by pitting your extreme against his.
I use all the data I can find. I never state that the highest is representative only that its the highest and keeps on getting higher over time.

That's not the same as mentioning that one would "cherry pick" the lowest data only.


But both Blu-ray revenue and unit marketshare are steadily rising over time with the possibility of even faster rate of change if retail tipping points are reached and Blu-ray starts to displace DVD more at retail as time goes along.



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I use all the data I can find. I never state that the highest is representative only that its the highest and keeps on getting higher over time.

That's not the same as mentioning that one would "cherry pick" the lowest data only.


But both Blu-ray revenue and unit marketshare are steadily rising over time with the possibility of even faster rate of change if retail tipping points are reached and Blu-ray starts to displace DVD more at retail as time goes along.



The lowest number in the range gets higher with time as well, not just the highest. Of course, saying either get higher over time is like saying the sun is hot.
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Old 03-21-2012, 11:21 PM   #2077  
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The lowest number in the range gets higher with time as well, not just the highest. Of course, saying either get higher over time is like saying the sun is hot.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the Blu-ray marketshare this year if DVD stays a bit more stable and Blu-ray continues to rise at the same time.

I'm still surprised that the overall cumulative OD revenues ar at break even through week 10. I know that's mostly because of the smaller DVD decline and the success of the Twilight Saga release and better releases and TBO, but I'm still a bit in wonder at the circumstance.





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Still a long way to go in the year though, even though we are having a good start in the 1Q 2012 period to date.





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Old 03-22-2012, 12:03 AM   #2079  
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So High Definition TVs replaced Standard Definition TVs but High Definition optical discs were never meant to replace Standard Definition optical discs?
High Definition TVs havent replaced Standard definition TVs. Old tvs, small displays, tvs in cars. Still in SD.
I expect blu ray to replace DVD around the same time HD programming replaces SD programming.
When Netflix gets rid of SD videos. When iTunes gets rid of SD videos.

I dont see any reason why optical disc would be held to a different standard than television programming or digital downloads/streaming.

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Old 03-22-2012, 02:50 AM   #2080  
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Sep 12, 2012

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Warner to Bow ‘Monumental’ Potter Box Set
22 Mar, 2012
By: Erik Gruenwedel

Special 31-disc collection, which includes Blu-ray, DVD and UltraViolet, is the largest ever for studio

Warner Home Video March 22 said it will release a numbered special collection 31-disc box set Sept. 7 featuring all eight Harry Potter movies plus five hours of brand new bonus material – the largest packaged media launch in the studio’s history.


The Harry Potter Wizard’s Collection ($499.99) features all Potter movies released on Blu-ray Disc, DVD and UltraViolet Digital Copy and more than 37 hours of special features, including all previously released materials and more than 10 hours of new to disc bonus content, and 5 hours of never-before-seen material. The new special features include the final two “Creating the World of Harry Potter” vignettes titled “Story” and “Growing Up,” among others.

Potter movies featured in the Wizard’s Collection include Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone theatrical version and extended cut; Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets theatrical version and extended cut; Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban; Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire; Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix; Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince; Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 2D and 3D Versions; and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 2D and 3D versions.

The Harry Potter films generated nearly $7.7 billion at the box office making them the highest grossing movie franchise in history. The franchise has also been a home entertainment cash cow generating $5.1 billion, with Deathly Hallows, Part 1 and 2 selling nearly 12 million combined DVDs (excluding Blu-ray) in 2011, according to The-Numbers.com.

New special features include: Harry Potter Wizard’s Collection Bonus Disc with 4 hours of features such as “The Harry Potters You Never Met” showcasing how stunts from the films were performed, and learn about the tricks behind the major stunts in the series. Additional features to be revealed on www.harrypotter.com

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1 Bonus Disc with 2 hours of features, including “Creating the World of Harry Potter, Pt. 7: Story.” Additional details to be revealed on www.harrypotter.com.

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 Bonus Disc with 4 hours of features, including “Creating the World of Harry Potter, Pt. 8: Growing Up,” extended edition of “A Conversation with JK Rowling and Daniel Radcliffe” - with 15 minutes of new footage; with more to be revealed on www.harrypotter.com.

Exclusive premiums include a Map of Hogwarts, concept art prints, catalogs of props and posters – all designed by the graphic designers from the films will be revealed in detail on www.harrypotter.com

All special features are not included in the UltraViolet Digital Copy editions, which require registration on Flixster.com.

At the end of 2011, Warner stopped shipping Potter discs (including Blu-ray) to retailers in an effort to stoke consumer in interest in the Wizard’s Collection.
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Quick question. So far, has HMM needed to adjust the 2011 weekly Blu-ray sales up or down because of over or under estimation? Or has it remained similar to the weekly data originally released last year so far?
Its been very close all year. Hardly any adjustment at all.

Ever since November 2011 when we caught up to the new Sunday to Saturday date range its been very very close with adjustments of under a million dollars each week for Blu-ray and a little more to DVD each week.

Its not like most of last year when every week was adjusted in some manner because of the transition to the Sun-Sat revenue week from the published Mon-Sun range where the Sundays shifted for most of the year and big release weeks and the following weeks all were adjusted heavily. The adjustments now are pretty trivial.

For the first weeks of 2011 the adjustments have been minor.

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Week Ending  Revised  Published

Blu-ray

01/09/11	29.39	29.40
01/16/11	26.98	26.98
01/23/11	23.75	23.64
01/30/11	29.38	29.16
02/06/11	27.26	27.18
02/13/11	26.67	26.66
02/20/11	28.92	28.69
02/27/11	30.94	30.61
03/06/11	41.64	41.66
03/13/11	31.07	30.85
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Week Ending  Revised  Published

DVD

01/09/11	120.90	120.91
01/16/11	108.52	108.51
01/23/11	108.86	107.98
01/30/11	123.31	122.05
02/06/11	131.25	131.08
02/13/11	145.42	145.34
02/20/11	145.27	143.99
02/27/11	131.65	130.35
03/06/11	133.13	132.93
03/13/11	119.87	116.11
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Old 03-22-2012, 08:26 AM   #2082  
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I was just taking a walk down memory lane as I remember the big deal of the Happy Feet release head to head on Blu-ray vs HD DVD.

Obviously a Blu-ray release five years later is expected of course to be order of magnitude greater volumes.

But its funny at the time we we all so focused on the marketshare struggle between HD DVD and Blu-ray during the HD format war times that most of us never contemplated or really knew on how pathetic the actual volumes were at the time.

We did not even get Blu-ray or HD DVD unit marketshare percentages at the time because they were both so darn low.

Even the most successful titles had cumulative totals that were less than what we see for average new to Blu-ray catalog releases now a days.


http://forums.highdefdigest.com/high...tml#post113699

You realize during the format war there was considerably less BD/HD players in homes...right? That might just be why the %'s were so low. Is this even for real? Comparing format war %'s to today? Gees. BD must be in really bad shape.
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Its been very close all year. Hardly any adjustment at all.

Ever since November 2011 when we caught up to the new Sunday to Saturday date range its been very very close with adjustments of under a million dollars each week for Blu-ray and a little more to DVD each week.

Its not like most of last year when every week was adjusted in some manner because of the transition to the Sun-Sat revenue week from the published Mon-Sun range where the Sundays shifted for most of the year and big release weeks and the following weeks all were adjusted heavily. The adjustments now are pretty trivial.

For the first weeks of 2011 the adjustments have been minor.

Code:
Week Ending  Revised  Published

Blu-ray

01/09/11	29.39	29.40
01/16/11	26.98	26.98
01/23/11	23.75	23.64
01/30/11	29.38	29.16
02/06/11	27.26	27.18
02/13/11	26.67	26.66
02/20/11	28.92	28.69
02/27/11	30.94	30.61
03/06/11	41.64	41.66
03/13/11	31.07	30.85
Code:
Week Ending  Revised  Published

DVD

01/09/11	120.90	120.91
01/16/11	108.52	108.51
01/23/11	108.86	107.98
01/30/11	123.31	122.05
02/06/11	131.25	131.08
02/13/11	145.42	145.34
02/20/11	145.27	143.99
02/27/11	131.65	130.35
03/06/11	133.13	132.93
03/13/11	119.87	116.11
Bishop99? I don't see his post here. Did it get deleted?
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High Definition TVs havent replaced Standard definition TVs. Old tvs, small displays, tvs in cars. Still in SD.
I expect blu ray to replace DVD around the same time HD programming replaces SD programming.
When Netflix gets rid of SD videos. When iTunes gets rid of SD videos.

I dont see any reason why optical disc would be held to a different standard than television programming or digital downloads/streaming.
Pssssst . . . they don't sell SDTVs anymore. So yes - HDTVs have replaced SDTVs. Been that way for a while now.
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Pssssst . . . they don't sell SDTVs anymore. So yes - HDTVs have replaced SDTVs. Been that way for a while now.
Yes it seems Federal mandates help transitions a bit.
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