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Old 08-13-2010, 12:01 PM   #61  
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Anyone who expects 3DTV to take off and be a huge success isn't facing reality. Just look at HDTV:

Here we are, almost 12 years after the introduction of HDTV and the majority of USA Households are still watching SDTV. Last number was 50% of USA HHs having an HDTV but only 50% are watching HD on their HDTV so that means that 75% of USA HHs are watching SDTV.

3DTV is an early adopter product. EA products are expensive. Been that way for decades - started with the B & W TV, then Color TV, then the VCR, the LD player, the DVD player, the DVD recorder, the HDTV, the HDM player and now 3DTV.

It's very simple - really - you want 3DTV in your home, you will pay the premium and deal with being an EA and all that entails like limited content and expensive equipment. You don't want 3DTV - fine - no one is forcing you to buy anything 3DTV related.
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I'm one of those that can't see 3D. I've heard an eye specialist say that approx 10% of people can't see 3D for various physical reasons.

I can somewhat understand why there is an appreciation for 3D from hearing and reading about people's experiences. I can only listen to the 3D industry itself with a grain of salt because it seems too obvious that they are trying to push it onto the market instead of supplying a demand.

My biggest gripe is that the 3D industry is taking away my choices. When the new 3D technology started gaining real attention in theatres I said I was worried that eventually I would lose my choice to watch a 2D movie. I can still view a 3D movie but the quality of the picture is terrible in comparison IMO and I still need to pay the surcharge to watch a 3D movie in 2D. It's not worth it for me anymore and I love going to watch movies in the theatre. I wanted to see Toy Story 3 and Despicable Me in a quality theatre that isn't run down but the closest 2D showing was a few cities away and I live in a metropolitan of 2 million. It wasn't really an option.

As for 3dtv, if I want to buy the best tv available today would it have to be a 3dtv? I keep reading that a 3dtv is the best quality tv you can buy even if you don't watch 3d. How much extra do I have to pay for a feature that I won't use? I don't really have a choice if I want the best right now do I?
I hear what you are saying but the industry moves with the majority, not the small (although bigger than I thought) percentage that cannot see 3D.

I want the best car made but I do not want certain features but have no choice and must pay for those options as they are standard on the best cars. So this is something we all have to deal with in many industries and not just with 3DTVs. It is what it is right now.

I suspect that 3D will trickle down to lower end models as time goes on and that will lower the cost for the 3D feature across the board and minimize the 3D price premium then, so there is that solace I guess.
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Anyone who expects 3DTV to take off and be a huge success isn't facing reality. Just look at HDTV:

Here we are, almost 12 years after the introduction of HDTV and the majority of USA Households are still watching SDTV. Last number was 50% of USA HHs having an HDTV but only 50% are watching HD on their HDTV so that means that 75% of USA HHs are watching SDTV.

3DTV is an early adopter product. EA products are expensive. Been that way for decades - started with the B & W TV, then Color TV, then the VCR, the LD player, the DVD player, the DVD recorder, the HDTV, the HDM player and now 3DTV.

It's very simple - really - you want 3DTV in your home, you will pay the premium and deal with being an EA and all that entails like limited content and expensive equipment. You don't want 3DTV - fine - no one is forcing you to buy anything 3DTV related.
No, your data is wrong or needs to be updated. The latest findings stated that about 55% of U.S. households have at least one HDTV and of that 55% about 66% receive HD programming of some kind.
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Noooo . . .

There are some who disagree with the 3D haters like you who have been enjoying 3D in theaters for decades and don't give a shit about wearing glasses to see 3D because it's been that way for almost 60 years.
I can certainly understand your frustration Lee when the majority of your HD viewing consists of sub-par 720p or 1080i broadcasts in regular Dolby Digital and with plenty of commercials to boot.

How's that BD player holding up?
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No, your data is wrong or needs to be updated. The latest findings stated that about 55% of U.S. households have at least one HDTV and of that 55% about 66% receive HD programming of some kind.
That still makes the majority watching SDTV
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I can certainly understand your frustration Lee when the majority of your HD viewing consists of sub-par 720p or 1080i broadcasts in regular Dolby Digital and with plenty of commercials to boot.

How's that BD player holding up?
And all this drivel pertains to 3DTV how?
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Lee, did you get a 3DTV yet?
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It's very simple - really - you want 3DTV in your home, you will pay the premium and deal with being an EA and all that entails like limited content and expensive equipment. You don't want 3DTV - fine - no one is forcing you to buy anything 3DTV related.
What I was trying to point out is that it's really not that simple. If I want to buy the best TV on the market I have to pay for the 3d feature and if I want to go to the theatre to watch certain movies I have to pay extra to watch it at a 3d screening or go out of my way to watch it in 2d in a lesser quality theatre. You're right that no one is forcing me, they are just taking my option away which is really important to me.
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Lee, did you get a 3DTV yet?
Waiting for the AVATAR giveaway from Panasonic - sometime in November.
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I hear what you are saying but the industry moves with the majority, not the small (although bigger than I thought) percentage that cannot see 3D.

I want the best car made but I do not want certain features but have no choice and must pay for those options as they are standard on the best cars. So this is something we all have to deal with in many industries and not just with 3DTVs. It is what it is right now.

I suspect that 3D will trickle down to lower end models as time goes on and that will lower the cost for the 3D feature across the board and minimize the 3D price premium then, so there is that solace I guess.
What are they actually charging for the 3d feature on a tv? We can't really compare prices can we because the 3dtvs have different features than 2dtvs besides the 3d feature itself.
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What I was trying to point out is that it's really not that simple. If I want to buy the best TV on the market I have to pay for the 3d feature and if I want to go to the theatre to watch certain movies I have to pay extra to watch it at a 3d screening or go out of my way to watch it in 2d in a lesser quality theatre. You're right that no one is forcing me, they are just taking my option away which is really important to me.
Who is to say that model XXXX is "the best" TV on the market?

If you are referring to the Panasonic VT25 series - well that TV was created from the ground up specifically for the best presentation of 3D. It just so happens to present HDTV very well.

I don't know where you live - it sounds like the sticks () if you have to travel some distance to see a 2D movie that is also playing in 3D. Do people who live in the sticks rtepresent the majority of people? No - the majority live in or near large cities.
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Who is to say that model XXXX is "the best" TV on the market?

If you are referring to the Panasonic VT25 series - well that TV was created from the ground up specifically for the best presentation of 3D. It just so happens to present HDTV very well.

I don't know where you live - it sounds like the sticks () if you have to travel some distance to see a 2D movie that is also playing in 3D. Do people who live in the sticks rtepresent the majority of people? No - the majority live in or near large cities.
Vancouver, BC
metropolitan population=2.1 million
approx 50 movie theatres

I don't think I live in the sticks, even by your holier than thou standards lee

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What are they actually charging for the 3d feature on a tv? We can't really compare prices can we because the 3dtvs have different features than 2dtvs besides the 3d feature itself.
But most TVs also have different features and some of those features are basically the only difference between then and they otherwise use the same panels etc. As Lee stated, the Panasonic VT series was created from the ground up to be designed for 3D. It just so happens to also help out 2D as well. Some of the things they did was increase the refresh rate to allow 60Hz for each eye for a total of 120Hz when watching 3D content. They also improved the decay speed of the red & blue phosphors to equal the decay rate on the green phosphors which can also help with 2D.

So there are some dual benefits for both 3D & 2D that make the VTs rated the best currently mfg HDTV. I am sure the 3D versions of LCDs likely have 3D improvements that also help with 2D material as well. Things like faster video processing etc. would likely be for both plasmas & LCDs to handle the higher bandwidth which could help with 2D as well.
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I don't think I live in the sticks, even by your holier than thou standards lee
Well if that's the case then why are you having so much trouble finding a 2D presentation of a 3D movie?
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But most TVs also have different features and some of those features are basically the only difference between then and they otherwise use the same panels etc. As Lee stated, the Panasonic VT series was created from the ground up to be designed for 3D. It just so happens to also help out 2D as well. Some of the things they did was increase the refresh rate to allow 60Hz for each eye for a total of 120Hz when watching 3D content. They also improved the decay speed of the red & blue phosphors to equal the decay rate on the green phosphors which can also help with 2D.
Red and Green phosphors - the Blue were fast enough - decay time wise. The Green were the worst.

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So there are some dual benefits for both 3D & 2D that make the VTs rated the best currently mfg HDTV. I am sure the 3D versions of LCDs likely have 3D improvements that also help with 2D material as well. Things like faster video processing etc. would likely be for both plasmas & LCDs to handle the higher bandwidth which could help with 2D as well.
The current crop of LCD 3DTVs really don't have anything special to process 3D other than black frame insertion which helps with 3D presentation due to their slow response time
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