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Old 07-25-2009, 01:22 PM   #931
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I actually think those edge lit LEDs are worse than the regular (with local dimming) LED backlit models, and one of the reasons they went with edge lit is to make it thinner so I would say that PQ & function was sacrificed for style & being thinner in this case.
I tend to agree regarding LCD, but the original post was referring to a topline Samsung plasma. Samsung has gone to a single glass screen (like Kruo) this year, which I am sure helped in that regard.
Although, it does move the rear connectors to a less desirable 90 deg. position. Most everything has a trade-off.
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Old 07-25-2009, 08:04 PM   #932
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But here's the thing, it's not really possible for the end user to establish whether a given serial number is North American, or was a refurbished unit. These things can be forged, and it's quite trivial to do so. If I wanted I'm sure I could plop out something using the 3of9 font that looks reasonable on an inkjet. I know you can "register" on a given site, but unless they do some checksum test or compare with a database, the end user could be none the wiser. Heck, there are a plethera of legit serial numbers you can find, and if you can work out the math you could, hypotheicaly, create valid serials.

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Old 07-25-2009, 08:06 PM   #933
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I tend to agree regarding LCD, but the original post was referring to a topline Samsung plasma. Samsung has gone to a single glass screen (like Kruo) this year, which I am sure helped in that regard.
Although, it does move the rear connectors to a less desirable 90 deg. position. Most everything has a trade-off.
definitely a worthwhile trade-off
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Old 07-25-2009, 08:14 PM   #934
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Contrary to the recent negative posts about ECTVs, I have had a satisfactory business exchange with them and am now in possession of a new Panasonic G15 50in plasma tv. There was a glitch in the delivery process resulting in them changing delivery agents and refunding me $61 because of a drop in the on line price during the interim. With the new delivery company it was 4 days between order verification and delivery. Delivery arrangements were executed promptly with follow-up calls from the trucking office and from the delivery truck driver 1/2 hour before arrival as promised. The truck was on time and the boxed tv was brought to my door on a dolly. The shipping carton was carried into my living room, opened and the tv plugged in to make it functioned. I was asked if I was satisfied with the tv and only then requested to sign off on the shipment and make payment. The invoice was incorrect, listing the original vs the adjusted price, but the amount was still the lowest on the internet, so I paid with plastic to give me product protection. The delivery team double checked to made sure I had all the accessories, picked up the packing materials, helped tidy up the room and left as quietly as they has come. I subsequently notified ECTV of the invoice error and my account was immediately credited for the difference. Jeffery, at ECTV, has made every effort to be accommodating. With their improved delivery service, I would recommend giving ECTVs a try.
Their business plan of "look before you pay" plus lowest prices gives consumers store like options. Stan P.
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Old 07-25-2009, 08:53 PM   #935
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Do you have any sales data to support this assertion of vigor? Seriously how well are the ultra-thin selling?

Anyhow thinness is pretty trivial in contrast to weight, and I'll grant you the ultra thin models tend to be in the 50 pound bracket. But given the price premium on 1 inch sub 1 inch models, odds are it would be more cost effective to contract for a hole in the wall rather than spending double on a panel. Apartment dwellers obviously don't have this option.

4 inches is just dandy. Once it's on the wall, it's out of the way and you have freedom to do whatever you want elsewhere. If it's not on the wall, you still need a stand that can accommodate 50lbs+, and that takes at least a 12 inch base plus furniture, furniture that odds are are going to house a DVD or Blu-Ray, cable box, surround sound.
Why should weight make a difference most people dont carry around thier TV

The fact that they just look good is reason enough to spend the extra if you can afford it

Another excellent advantage is that the low power consumption on ultra slim models


Power Consumption Comparison

Samsung Luxia 46 "
Default......Calibrated...........Power Save
106.77W.....93.02 W............78.07W



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...........194W
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Old 07-25-2009, 09:34 PM   #936
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Why should weight make a difference most people dont carry around thier TV
No, but mounting a TV on a wall is REALLY the thing to do. It gets it out of the way. At 50lbs and under it's a one man job. 50 pounds and over it's a two man job. Further more, keeping it light makes the unit less prone to mount failure. I think mine is about ~60ish lbs or so.

It also will decrease the likelihood of delivery failure, oh and hell, no real need for white glove shipping.

Further more, considering back mounted jacks that require right angle connectors, when you add equipment you're going to have to dismount the set, thus sub 50 pounds adds to the function to such units.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/24/j...wx50-lcd-hdtv/

This one is on the extreme edge of things at 11lbs and 7mm thin.

But really PQ above thickness. Really!


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The fact that they just look good is reason enough to spend the extra if you can afford it
Is that an informed evaluation? Seriously if the 1 inch models offered better PQ and function, great. But I doubt that they do.

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Another excellent advantage is that the low power consumption on ultra slim models
Do you have any figures of the 1 inch models vs other OLED models?
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Old 07-25-2009, 10:02 PM   #937
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Samsung PN50B850 average 224W(Eco picture preset 174W average) as posted by pc mag
That is the best power consumption we've seen in a 50" plasma


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2348920,00.asp

We believe the thinner the TVs are more fragile, therefor the need for white glove delivery is increased.
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Old 07-26-2009, 12:49 AM   #938
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Samsung {snip} average 224W(Eco picture preset 174W average) as posted by pc mag
That is the best power consumption we've seen in a 50" plasma


http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2348920,00.asp

We believe the thinner the TVs are more fragile, therefor the need for white glove delivery is increased.
IIRC one of the top performers in the watt class was the Philips Eco. Not available in 50" inch, it's 42" was in the 130watts average consumption catagory. The low average was due in part to dimming the light for dark scenes. But as you might imagine PQ suffered greatly, unless you enjoy blue rather than black. Since this time, Philips has dropped out of the TV business.

In case anyone is interested, c-net has a soso review on energy efficent models, though they didn't really explore average consumption, thus the evaluation is slanted toward LCDs.

But needless to say it's not worth $1000 to save 50watts at this juncture. Presuming 100watts, that's like $64/year @ 8hrs/day, thus it would take you 15.6 years to make back the investment. One would be better off replacing their lightbulbs with LED or CFL, or hell replacing their water heater with a more energy efficent model. Attic insolation, spray foam in the walls, drapes, digital thermostats, ceiling paint to maximize brightness, there are plenty of things you can do with a grand that would actually yield greater energy savings over the long term and have your HDTV too.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bang for the watt, but it makes little sense to spend so much on a luxurary item that doesn't get used 24/7 when the real savings are in the things that you can't turn off.
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Old 07-26-2009, 05:57 AM   #939
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The responsibility of the shipping insurance varies. There is no clear cut rule in the freight world but there are acronyms. For consumers the popular convention is the vendor covers insurance, which is included in the price. There are exceptions in the E-tail world, but this is mainly for things that cost squat to produce that have a high markup.

For an HDTV, it just makes sense to insure everything.

For ECTV it's confusing since the front page advertises free "white glove" as a promotional deal (blow out) with TV order, which is obviously not the case if you're out of area. While "reasonable" it's not advertised as such on the front page, nor is there a little "*" stating restrictions apply.

But it sounds like they were trying to nickle and dime you.
When you place the order online, you are checked out with the total cost which matches the advertised costs and shipping charges. Then they call you to confirm your order and try to sell you the extended warranty. When you balk they start claiming extra charges. Only when you walkaway do they stick with their advertised price. How many people would consider that a good customer experience?

If there is a charge for shipping insurance or any other delivery charges, they should be explicit about it by publishing the cost on the site. When you check out, these charges should be clearly stated on the checkout cart. Don't play games after the order has been placed. That is just not honest.
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Old 07-26-2009, 08:38 AM   #940
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We love those new ultra thin 1” TVs. The consumer electronics market continues to grow in this troubled economic times.

http://venturebeat.com/2009/07/07/co...econd-quarter/

Without new models we would still be driving model Ts
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When you place the order online, you are checked out with the total cost which matches the advertised costs and shipping charges. Then they call you to confirm your order and try to sell you the extended warranty. When you balk they start claiming extra charges. Only when you walkaway do they stick with their advertised price. How many people would consider that a good customer experience?

If there is a charge for shipping insurance or any other delivery charges, they should be explicit about it by publishing the cost on the site. When you check out, these charges should be clearly stated on the checkout cart. Don't play games after the order has been placed. That is just not honest.
As you can see from recent posts on this thread, very satisfied customers have purchased TVs from us they paid exactly as advertised and were not up sold an extended warranty.
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:32 AM   #942
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No, but mounting a TV on a wall is REALLY the thing to do. It gets it out of the way. At 50lbs and under it's a one man job. 50 pounds and over it's a two man job. Further more, keeping it light makes the unit less prone to mount failure. I think mine is about ~60ish lbs or so.

It also will decrease the likelihood of delivery failure, oh and hell, no real need for white glove shipping.

Further more, considering back mounted jacks that require right angle connectors, when you add equipment you're going to have to dismount the set, thus sub 50 pounds adds to the function to such units.

http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/24/j...wx50-lcd-hdtv/

This one is on the extreme edge of things at 11lbs and 7mm thin.

But really PQ above thickness. Really!




Is that an informed evaluation? Seriously if the 1 inch models offered better PQ and function, great. But I doubt that they do.



I agree PQ is the second most important factor followed only by price
but as long as you are not giving up PQ style is right up there, remember that a TV is also a piece of furniture.

As far as mounting and dismounting your TV to add more cables

The best thing to do is to add all the cables right from the beginning.

These are the cables that should be placed behind ones wall before mounting a TV


2 -3 pcs HDMI Cables depending on what you foresee hooking up to the TV
1 pcs composite av cable to hook up a video camera or a VCR


The next two are only if the TV has a computer monitor port

1 pcs SVGA monitor cable
1pcs 3.5mm male male audio cable
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We love those new ultra thin 1 TVs. The consumer electronics market continues to grow in this troubled economic times.

http://venturebeat.com/2009/07/07/co...econd-quarter/

Without new models we would still be driving model Ts
What the hell does this even mean?

If you're trying to say the Model T almost killed the Ford Motor Company because it was so popular and reliable that it reached market saturation and as a result people stopped buying cars, you would be 100% correct.

The Model T was produced between 1908 and 1927, and 15million were sold.

I guess I'm the wrong person to talk to on the subject. I still have Sony 20seIIs in service.

Thin TVs don't represent market growth. Market diversity perhaps. What represents market growth is the fact that that analog went dark and people were stuck with either a converter box or getting a new HDTV. Given options like LG and Vizio in the $500 price bracket, a TV that "works" without extra shit is attractive.

But I would actually be interested in REAL sales figures.
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The best thing to do is to add all the cables right from the beginning.

These are the cables that should be placed behind ones wall before mounting a TV

{2-3 hdmi + 1 composite}
{SVGA + 3.5mm audio cable} {VCR/camera}
It's VGA cable, there is no such thing as SVGA cable. Even then, VGA is a display adapter and video standard. If you want to get particular it's HD-15. HD-15 support is pretty worthless on ANY big screen HDTV as HD resolutions tend to not be supported. I do advocate having one to jack in a laptop, but if you want PC HD, you're going to be using HDMI, or component.

I can accept cable card exists, if you're lucky enough to be able to get one. But the moment you're talking about ANY gear placed under the TV, the "advantage" of a 1 inch TV is negated. You "could" place much of your gear elsewhere, but this is an option only for home and condo owners. Unless they start making low profile equipment, a la wall mount receivers, it's pretty pointless to spend extra to trim the fat off an HDTV.

I am moving much of my gear elsewhere. I'll have to check if my Toshiba deck will output VHS over HDMI. But I'm leaving the receiver under the TV. As it stands, I didn't need a 4 inch TV.

Now what is really needed are better remote protocols. With HDMI or any digital network connection that facilitates two way communication you would expect control information to go over the cable. Once this is done, then the alt location for gear becomes more practical. And actually the ONLY reason I'm going with an alt location is the distance limitation of firewire, otherwise I wouldn't bother.

So long as you own a cable box, audio reciver, BD deck and you want them under the TV, it's positivly 100% pointless to spend extra on a thin tv.
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I did deal with AV-Setup, they serve NYC area. They respond fast and always explain what exactly they charge you for and how come they might have better deals on stuff. Here's their web site just in case: www.av-setup.com
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