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Old 05-18-2005, 10:17 PM   #1  
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Hello everyone,

This is my first post in these forums, but I've been extensively trolling over the last few days. I'm sure this question has been asked a time or ten, but lets take a current view, given the most recent news/developments...

Here's my situation: I currently own a 1994 Toshiba Cinema Series 32" CRT that weighs about 140 lbs, and I've been feeding it with analog cable, VHS, and DVD over its lifetime. I still like the picture, but my wife and I will move out of our appartment into a new house in Nashville, TN on July 1 and are considering a TV upgrade. Our new den will be 12x13 feet, and we want to keep the look as sleek as possible- that is, perch a new 42"-50" HD plasma TV atop a pretty cool art deco table and watch it from some very comfortable low profile Relax the Back recliners.

When our current 32" monster is on, it's usually displaying cable TV. I like the History channel, Discovery, TLC and a few shows on the majors, such as "Medium" and "Lost." My wife likes mostly major network stuff, including some daytime programming. We watch DVDs maybe once every two weeks or so.

I've done a fair amount of shopping and reading, and I am especially impressed by the quality of the latest Panasonic plasma HD offerings. However, I'm a bit miffed at the prospect of choosing an HDTV provider. Satellite and cable both seem to have their strong suits, but neither offers much HD programming.

What I want to know is this: if you were considering making the move up to HD on July 1, 2005 in Nashville, would you go for it or would you hold out a bit?

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Old 05-19-2005, 12:27 AM   #2  
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Personally I'm waiting. And it is hard. I've seen it, I want it, I'm jealous of those who have it, but I have to make myself wait. I think the technology is still shaking itself out. There still is not a whole lot of programming. I am on Dish Network, and they are not yet up to par with they're HD technology (and I will never go back to cable).
I still check this forum almost everyday to see if it is time, but not yet.

I hope this helps. It will be the minority view I'm sure.
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Old 05-19-2005, 09:25 PM   #3  
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Dish just bought the residues of Voom, and now offers 15 HD channels (with extra dish).

I get 13 HD channels, not counting the HD versions of Premium movie channels, from cable.

Cable is cheaper to try, since you don't need to buy any hardware...
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Old 05-20-2005, 10:11 AM   #4  
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Go to antennaweb.org and see if your address is near a sufficient number of network affiliates broadcasting in digital. Would be a good source for free HD to try out after buying the new set. Alot of network shows are in HD during primetime.

As RS noted, cable is best way to experiment with fee-based HD as you rent the equipment.

I'm a long time cable subscriber. Added HD cable after buying Plasma in '03 and also added OTA tuner / antenna. Eventually dropped digital / HD cable service and now just run OTA HD and analog cable until pricing / channel availability improves. I may eventually go with satellite but only after HD DVR stb's have improved and dropped in price substantially.

Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the heck out of my ED Pany plasma (42PWD). CSI looked great in HD last night.
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Old 05-20-2005, 09:36 PM   #5  
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Thanks, folks, for the comments. I talked to my wife some more about this, and she really wants to go ahead and get a TV. I'm thinking that the 50" HD Pany plasma would look especially delicious mounted on the wall over the art deco table. So, I think we'll start out with cable and see how it goes. Looks like there's nowhere to go but up here.

I do have one more question, though. I favor the "7UY" Pany's, as the lack of speakers and black frame will ideally suit the design of my den. However, the 7UY is a seventh generation panel, but Panasonic should be introducing an eighth generation "industrial" panel soon, presumably the "8UY" this fall. Any ideas what improvements will occur? Thanks again.

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Old 05-23-2005, 08:22 AM   #6  
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Offhand, don't know about the improvements. You may want to look at the various posts on the new consumer model just released and compare to Pany's commercial brochures / specs on the 7uy (see broadcast / pro section of their website).

Notwithstanding tech upgrades, I bet the biggest change will be price. The MSRP and street prices dropped substantially between the 6uy and 7uy and I imagine that will continue with the 8.
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Meanwhile, I'm enjoying the heck out of my ED Pany plasma (42PWD). CSI looked great in HD last night.
Surely if you have an ED tv you can only watch an ED version of the HD signal?
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Wow....for that room size, the 50" screen would be too large....in my opinion anyway. Just be sure you consider the room size vs. the screen size before you commit.
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hahaha you're not 'trolling'... online use isn't like fishing, it's like the ugly little guy who lives under a bridge! Trolls are people who like to stir up trouble... hahaha

I think a 50" would be a fine size... defined more by seating distance than room size. Optimum seating for HD is 1.5 times the diagonal, or a bit over 6'. SD distance is 10'.

Remember, HDTV has 3 - 5 times the detail of SDTV, so you can use a screen three times as large! Bigger is better!

Wait until you see Discovery-HD...
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Surely if you have an ED tv you can only watch an ED version of the HD signal?
Oh oh...I hear a storm brewin'
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Oh oh...I hear a storm brewin'
Could be...... ED is the same as DVD (480p) so should not be confused with HD..... it probably looks pretty good, but it's not HD.
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Old 05-24-2005, 10:09 AM   #12  
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Surely if you have an ED tv you can only watch an ED version of the HD signal?
I factually stated that I watched an HD show. What trivial, forest-blind, tree-focused geek cares as to the display it was viewed on given the immaterial difference between a 42 ED and 42 HD plasma display for such content?

Hopefully, someone will not use that typical response of "If you stare at the HD and ED displays side-by-side for 15.876 minutes, you will eventually conclude that the HD display is 480,988,456,032 times better than the ED display."

Hey borromini, maybe I should have utilized my previously-described legal waiver before I originally made my comment?

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hahaha you're not 'trolling'... online use isn't like fishing, it's like the ugly little guy who lives under a bridge! Trolls are people who like to stir up trouble... hahaha

I think a 50" would be a fine size... defined more by seating distance than room size. Optimum seating for HD is 1.5 times the diagonal, or a bit over 6'. SD distance is 10'.

Remember, HDTV has 3 - 5 times the detail of SDTV, so you can use a screen three times as large! Bigger is better!

Wait until you see Discovery-HD...
Hehehe...Oh yeah- I forgot that "troll" is an online term. I love deep sea fishing, so I had to put that one in there. As for the Discovery-HD, I have just two words...shark week!
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I factually stated that I watched an HD show. What trivial, forest-blind, tree-focused geek cares as to the display it was viewed on given the immaterial difference between a 42 ED and 42 HD plasma display for such content?
Sorry - I don't understand the 'immaterial difference' between 480p and 720p? If it is, no one would spend the extra and buy an HD set!
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Yep.....852 X 480 ain't HD.
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