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Old 08-16-2006, 06:56 PM   #1  
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I'm completely new to this arena (Power conditioners etc.) and to this forum and have enjoyed reading the posts in here. I hope some of you with more experience can give me some advice. I'm trying to decide whether or not to get a power conditioner for my home theatre system, which is a pretty high end system (in my opinion) - Klipsch Reference Series 7 system (5.1) with brand new Yamaha RX-N600 amp (just purchased this), and Sony 57" HDTV and many other typical components - Sony DVD Player, Sony 400 CD Changer, Comcast Hi-Def Cable Box and Media Extender (for content from my PC). I consider myself an audiofile, though I'm not sure of the 'official' definition, but I tend to spend the bigger bucks on audio\video equipment instead of anything else and have a good ear for sound.

Ok, so I've got this salesman at a store whom I trust based on how he's directed me with things so far, and he encouraged me to by this $1300 Monster MP-HTPS7000SS Power Conditioner box with Dual Balanced Pure Power Isolation Transformers and Clean Power™ Stage 5 - whatever all that means. He claims this will take my system to the next level sonically and that I won't believe the difference and how I could've done without one of these for the past 5 years. There was another model that was around $700 that I could've also bought, but it didn't do the dual transformer balancing thing that he claims this is the latest technology etc. and with the system I have, I should get the 7000.

So, I'm hoping that some of you with experience here can help me decide if first of all these power conditioners really make a difference in sound and are worth it, and then if the $800 difference in price between these two items is really worth it. I hope someone can help me here - I've got the big one (7000) at home (not connected yet) and will try it out this weekend, but wanted to get some advice quickly to help me decide what to do this coming weekend.

Thanks VERY much for any advice you all can give me!!!

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Since you already dropped the cash, I would take the time to hook it up and see if it makes a diffence...I doubt it will. I would recommend you take it back and get a UPS from the computer department. Any display device that has a fan that cools a bulb should have power in the event of a sudden loss in power, a UPS will give you the time you need to shut off your tv and allow the bulb to cool with a fan. If your bulb has to cool on its own, it could seriously shorten the lifespan of the bulb. A good UPS will also provide surge and filtering free of charge

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Since you already dropped the cash, I would take the time to hook it up and see if it makes a diffence...I doubt it will. I would recommend you take it back and get a UPS from the computer department. Any display device that has a fan that cools a bulb should have power in the event of a sudden loss in power, a UPS will give you the time you need to shut off your tv and allow the bulb to cool with a fan. If your bulb has to cool on its own, it could seriously shorten the lifespan of the bulb. A good UPS will also provide surge and filtering free of charge

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definetly go with what he said. i was considering a line conditioner because my setup is pretty close to what your have. but in the end i decided something with a backup power supply would be alot better. unfortunetly i havnt been able to grab out yet.
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I think getting a UPS with noise filtering will work just fine and save you a bubdle versus that Monster line conditioner. I would no longer trust that saleman that gave you the line of BS he gave you.

They get a huge markup (something like 300%) on Monster products and they get incentives (bonuses) directly from the mfg if they sell a lot of their products. Sure BB does not give commissions, but the salesmen get incentives/bonuses from both BB & the mfg.

Any salesman that says there will be a big difference in SQ with one of these Monster conditioners will never get my ear or money again. After you hook it up and find no difference in SQ you will know that he was for of you know what, and I advise you to tell him he lost your business because of it when you return it.
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Thanks for all of the comments and advice on this power/line conditioner.

I wanted to mention that the main reason I was buying this unit was for the improved sound quaility and secondly for the UPS capabilities. I realize I can buy a UPS for much less, so I'm just trying to determine if spending ALOT more $$ for the audible\sonic improvement was worth it. I was hoping to find, somewhere on the net, a side-by-side study or research on power\line conditioner vs. no power\line conditioner to see if there was any sonic\audible benefit to using one of these.

I was somewhat sceptical about there being a connection between the condition of the power input and the sonic quaility of what comes out of the speakers, but after reading a few articles, there does seem to be a connection (digital noise, loss in imaging etc.) and was just trying to find out if anyone had really experienced a noticeable difference. Interesting thing is that I've had my system now for 5 years and have no buzz or line noise in my system that I could hear, but I know with all things technical like this that there could be some things that I might not be actually hearing, and these might be jeopardizing the quality of the sound in my system. And, me being the audio quailty freak that I am, I want to make sure my system is as perfect sonically as possible. I also find it hard to believe that a company like Monster could continue to produce these line\power conditioners and sell them without there being any real benefit - kind of like a scam - wouldn't there be something out there claiming these are fake and not worth the $$???

I would appreciate any further comment you all have on this and I really appreciate the comments and advice so far!

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b.b. marks them up 100% to slightly more ( another 2-5% on some products ). i know this from when i was checking them out. my girl had her discount and it was around 100% on everything monster. A&R is what they really mark up. A&R is almost 300% and it isnt off by much.
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Thanks for all of the comments and advice on this power/line conditioner.

I wanted to mention that the main reason I was buying this unit was for the improved sound quaility and secondly for the UPS capabilities. I realize I can buy a UPS for much less, so I'm just trying to determine if spending ALOT more $$ for the audible\sonic improvement was worth it.

I would appreciate any further comment you all have on this and I really appreciate the comments and advice so far!

Randy
The thread is about a month old....how is it working out for you?

I have been thinking about a power conditioner/voltage stabilizer for my new toys.

Right now I have a Monster Power HTS 2600, that I have used for years.
It has a nice feature of protecting my stuff by shutting off the power if the voltage gets to low or high.

With todays cooling fans for the projection bulbs...shutting the power off isn't the best deal.

I thought about using a normal computer backup UPS, I have a APC 500 Back-Up ES that I haven't had any problems with, but when I checked the voltage I found that it only delivers 85 volts when on the battery.

A conditioner like the Monster Power AVS 2000, PanaMax Max 1500-UPS or Rotel RLC-1080 will constantly correct low voltage, high voltage and no voltage to 120 volts.
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I'm completely new to this arena (Power conditioners etc.) and to this forum and have enjoyed reading the posts in here. I hope some of you with more experience can give me some advice. I'm trying to decide whether or not to get a power conditioner for my home theatre system, which is a pretty high end system (in my opinion) - Klipsch Reference Series 7 system (5.1) with brand new Yamaha RX-N600 amp (just purchased this), and Sony 57" HDTV and many other typical components - Sony DVD Player, Sony 400 CD Changer, Comcast Hi-Def Cable Box and Media Extender (for content from my PC). I consider myself an audiofile, though I'm not sure of the 'official' definition, but I tend to spend the bigger bucks on audio\video equipment instead of anything else and have a good ear for sound.

Ok, so I've got this salesman at a store whom I trust based on how he's directed me with things so far, and he encouraged me to by this $1300 Monster MP-HTPS7000SS Power Conditioner box with Dual Balanced Pure Power Isolation Transformers and Clean Power™ Stage 5 - whatever all that means. He claims this will take my system to the next level sonically and that I won't believe the difference and how I could've done without one of these for the past 5 years. There was another model that was around $700 that I could've also bought, but it didn't do the dual transformer balancing thing that he claims this is the latest technology etc. and with the system I have, I should get the 7000.

So, I'm hoping that some of you with experience here can help me decide if first of all these power conditioners really make a difference in sound and are worth it, and then if the $800 difference in price between these two items is really worth it. I hope someone can help me here - I've got the big one (7000) at home (not connected yet) and will try it out this weekend, but wanted to get some advice quickly to help me decide what to do this coming weekend.

Thanks VERY much for any advice you all can give me!!!

Randy
Power conditioners are a complete load of BS. Ask the salesman if he will let you borrow one from the store to audition. Take it home and demo it. You wont hear the difference. THis guy has been probably milking you for sales quotas. Most of the crap Monster sells can only help you so much. Their cabling, speaker wire, power conditioners, etc. won't make a nickels worth of difference. I would not buy it. If you want to go ahead.
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Power conditioners are a complete load of BS. Ask the salesman if he will let you borrow one from the store to audition. Take it home and demo it. You wont hear the difference. THis guy has been probably milking you for sales quotas. Most of the crap Monster sells can only help you so much. Their cabling, speaker wire, power conditioners, etc. won't make a nickels worth of difference. I would not buy it. If you want to go ahead.
go to Costco and get their $99 trip Lite battery backup UPS surge suppressor, and save a lot of money.

Here's the amazon link that shows one.

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Ok, i'll clear up what monster power does. First of all they have a patented T2 technology, What is this? Your equipment is sensitive to over charging and undercharging. In other words because power is never a steady 120volts, and your amps fluctuate, its can ruin your equipment over time. So what it does is continually monitor your volts and amps, if they are too high or low, it will actually disconnect your equipment protecting it. And then it will continue to monitor the power till it has stabilized for 15 seconds. The joule rating for power surges should be around 4000. That particular power center is a stage 5 clean power. What that does is separately isolates noise in the power into 5 stages, giving you ultimate clean power. That means cleanest sound, cleanest picture, and very little wear and tear on the sensitive chips that make up your system.Whenever a surge happens on a monster power center, it actually disconnects all three inputs on your power cable, giving you the ultimate protection in surges.Thats called the tri-mode.Ultimately its your equipment and you will decide whats best for you, yes monster has a big markup, and thats partly to help make up for the loss of revenue that tvs and electronics suffer from the constant competition. There is no crime in trying to be profitable, electronics is a savage business.But then again my home theater is a savage too and deserves the best.

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Your equipment is sensitive to over charging and undercharging. In other words because power is never a steady 120volts, and your amps fluctuate, its can ruin your equipment over time.
Im an old sailor, so allow me to put this in the only way I know how: Simply put, this statement is where I begin to hoist the ol' 'Bravo Sierra' flag up the flag pole. I expect, as most probably do, to get about 10 years out of my equipment. A good name manufacture will design equipment to last that long. Now, there are names I can think of that might benefit from such finite monitoring and babysitting, and thus enjoy a longer life span than expected for equipment of lower quality and design...names like Insignia, Dynex, Orion, RCA, and Optimus, just to name a few. Which brings me to next tid-bit of knowledge:

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That means cleanest sound, cleanest picture, and very little wear and tear on the sensitive chips that make up your system.
Now, at this point, that ol' 'Bravo Sierra' has made full mast as this is the job of power supplys within components. But again, a good name manufacture isnt stupid; these 'sensitive chips' arent as sensitive as you may lead us to beleave. A manufacture that produces products with components THAT sensitive will quickly be eaten alive for 'unreliability' in such a "savage" business, wouldnt you agree? Better picture and sound? Well, only if you tend to watch tv with an oscilliscope and sound level meter! It is unlikely to result in ANY 'apparent' improvement of either, unless, of course, you are the type to have serious household electrical problems in the first place.

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There is no crime in trying to be profitable
True. But, then again, 'rapeing the innocent' and 'murdering the good', something Monster seems to do with style, marketing, and prices, is something this old sailor will proudly stand up against. Do I support plugging your gear directly into the wall? No, but then I dont support the Monster either.

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I'm completely new to this arena (Power conditioners etc.) and to this forum and have enjoyed reading the posts in here. I hope some of you with more experience can give me some advice. I'm trying to decide whether or not to get a power conditioner for my home theatre system, which is a pretty high end system (in my opinion) - Klipsch Reference Series 7 system (5.1) with brand new Yamaha RX-N600 amp (just purchased this), and Sony 57" HDTV and many other typical components - Sony DVD Player, Sony 400 CD Changer, Comcast Hi-Def Cable Box and Media Extender (for content from my PC). I consider myself an audiofile, though I'm not sure of the 'official' definition, but I tend to spend the bigger bucks on audio\video equipment instead of anything else and have a good ear for sound.

Ok, so I've got this salesman at a store whom I trust based on how he's directed me with things so far, and he encouraged me to by this $1300 Monster MP-HTPS7000SS Power Conditioner box with Dual Balanced Pure Power Isolation Transformers and Clean Power™ Stage 5 - whatever all that means. He claims this will take my system to the next level sonically and that I won't believe the difference and how I could've done without one of these for the past 5 years. There was another model that was around $700 that I could've also bought, but it didn't do the dual transformer balancing thing that he claims this is the latest technology etc. and with the system I have, I should get the 7000.

So, I'm hoping that some of you with experience here can help me decide if first of all these power conditioners really make a difference in sound and are worth it, and then if the $800 difference in price between these two items is really worth it. I hope someone can help me here - I've got the big one (7000) at home (not connected yet) and will try it out this weekend, but wanted to get some advice quickly to help me decide what to do this coming weekend.

Thanks VERY much for any advice you all can give me!!!

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I also bought the 7000 series and it works great....my speakers sound completely different in a good way ! Spend the money, you won't be disappointed. Anyone that says it won't make a difference has never tried it and don't know what they are talking about. I also
bought the AVS2000 power regulator....if you have the means I recommend that as well. Your system will pound. I had to turn down my sub as it was rattling everything on my walls.
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you want to look at the Richard Gray's Power Company, great product just bought 2.
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I also bought the 7000 series and it works great....my speakers sound completely different in a good way ! Spend the money, you won't be disappointed. Anyone that says it won't make a difference has never tried it and don't know what they are talking about. I also
bought the AVS2000 power regulator....if you have the means I recommend that as well. Your system will pound. I had to turn down my sub as it was rattling everything on my walls.
Actually I have used it I have an in that lets me use these types of products he sells them to big box stores and the markup is astronomical plus the benefits are very very minimal. I prefer my APC battery backup and conditioner for less than a third the cost of a monster anything I get great results and a benefit of being able to turn my gear off in the event of a power failure rather than a sudden shut down like with the MONSTER garbage.
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Will A Line Conditioner Improve Your Image?
For the real story on power line conditioners. Are they really needed with an HDTV? Do they provide a sharper picture as some salesmen claim? How well do they protect the TV in case of a lightening strike or other electrical spike? What about surge protectors and uninterruptible power supplies (UPS)? The HD Guru responds.
Potential Problems With Your AC Power
In the United States the alternating current (AC) sent from your electric company should be delivered to your home at a steady rate of 120 volts at 60 cycles per second. In some parts of the US, there are variations, resulting in voltages that are either too high or too low. Sometimes interruptions cut the power altogether. Delivery of too much power is called a voltage surge; too little, a voltage droop or sag. Electrical storms can deliver lightening strikes, which can produce catastrophic voltage surges capable of destroying the power supplies of all the electronics plugged into the system, whether they’re powered up or not. Air conditioner and refrigerator motors powering on and off can also cause momentary voltage fluctuations. Another potential power problem is electrical interference caused by industrial grade electrical equipment operating nearby as would be found in a factory. Your home’s wiring may also pick up electrical line interference or radio frequency interference (RFI) caused by, among other things, broadcast transmitters located in your vicinity.
Power Fluctuation Symptoms
Fluctuating voltages can cause lights to brighten and dim. TV, lights and other electrical devices may momentarily shut off due to total voltage dropouts. Radio frequency interference can create hum and/or video noise bars and static.
What Line Conditioners Can’t Do
Power conditioners can’t give your digital HDTV a sharper picture or better color, regardless of display technology, whether plasma, LCD, DLP, SXRD, or DILA rear projection. Period. Resolution is, by definition fixed, and so cannot be increased. If a salesman tells you otherwise, ask why are there no power conditioners connected to the dozens of TVs on display. All HDTVs have internal power supplies designed to filter and transform the incoming AC to voltages necessary for the set’s operational needs. These built-in power supplies do a great job, and are designed to accept a fairly wide range of line voltages. Can a power conditioner clean up heavy interference in your power line? Yes, but most of the time they are simply not necessary and will be of no use because the vast majority of households are free of electrical interference.
What You Need To Protect Your Television

While power conditioners cannot improve your picture, a surge protector can protect your set in the event of a power surge. What’s needed depends on the display and the amount of protection you can afford. For LCDs and plasmas the HD Guru suggests a surge protector at the very minimum. According to experts, the rating should be at least 360 joules. These are very inexpensive, with prices starting at under $20. For lamp driven devices such as microdisplay front and rear projectors, including LCOS (Sony SXRD and JVC DiLA), DLP and LCD, you should purchase an uninterruptible power supplies (UPS). The HD Guru also recommends using the UPS with digital video recorders (DVRs like TiVo). A UPS will prevent the lamp’s cooling fan motor (or hard drive in the DVR) from shutting off during a power failure. You need just enough battery power to cool off the projector to prevent premature lamp failure or a DVR’s power down. 10 minutes worth of battery back up is more than sufficient. Virtually all UPS units also have built-in surge protection.
UPSs’ are either on-line or off-line designs. The on-lines are best because they actively filter and convert AC wall power into DC (Direct Current) to charge the battery, while simultaneously converting the DC back to AC to run your HDTV or DVR. In addition to offering excellent line conditioning, on-line UPS systems provide surge protection. Because it’s “on-line” there is no voltage drop when the AC power fails. The switch to battery backup is seamless.
The Tripp-Lite SU750XL is a good on-line UPS. Rated at 750VA, it will run a 500-watt load for about 10 minutes, which is plenty of time to cool off the lamp in any projector or properly shut down a TiVo. While it retails for $449, a quick internet search found it for $288.93 + shipping.
Depending upon capacity off-line UPS prices start at around $40. Because the AC in/out circuitry is not coupled to the output there’s around a 1-millisecond switch between line current and battery power. Virtually all have built-in surge protection and many of the mid size and larger one also have line conditioners.
Bottom line? Instead of selecting a line conditioner with surge protection, which can cost up to $500 or more, get first-rate protection that includes surge and battery backup plus top quality line conditioning, for under $300 by purchasing an on-line UPS. For under $100 you can be protected from the most common surge and short-term power loss problems with a UPS with surge protection combo.

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