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New Canon HF S100 to be delivered tomorrow!

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Old 04-30-2009, 07:11 PM   #1  
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Default New Canon HF S100 to be delivered tomorrow!

I will let you know if the reviews are true. I will be retiring my HF100 if anyone is interested - email me at tniderost at hotmail dot com.

The main attractions to me are:

1. Higher bit rate (24Mb), but I don't know if I will use it.
2. Manual focus. The HF S100 has a programmable knob near the front left of the camera that can be set to several functions. My choice will be focus!
3. 3 second prior recording. This is a very cool feature. Let's say that you want to catch something on video, but aren't sure when it will happen. You sit waiting to press the record button, but too late. You missed it. Not any more - now you put the camera into 3 second pre-record mode and it records continuously into a circular buffer until you press record, and the recording starts 3 seconds in the past! The bad part is that this feature eats battery life. So one must use it judiciously.
4. Low light level is .3 Lx on this model. Partly because of the 24 fps mode, and partly because of the new sensor and larger lens.
5. In comes in the cool black color.
6. 8 MP stills! I am in the middle of selling my Nikon D300 system. This is the only camera that I want to travel with!
7. Various other enhancements - non the least is the newest imaging processor. I am not interested in the face recognition, but it is kinda cool too.

I will take a week or two to give it my evaluation, but I am welcoming comments from others that haved switch to, or just purchased the HF S100.

-Tom
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Old 05-02-2009, 07:31 PM   #2  
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Default Today's evaluation... Part 1.

Disclaimer

Let me preface this evaluation by stating that I love the HF100. I have always been amazed at the beautiful video that it produces. This critique if only a comparison of it and my new HF S100.

Color intensity

When I previewed the video clips today on my 42 inch LCD, it looked like I had shot video on Fuji Velvia film! The greens of trees, grass, and plants seemed too intense. After some checking, I found that I had the color controls set high on the monitor. I had them set that way for the HF100 to look normal. But the HF S100 now has much more "pop", and doesn't need any help! In other words the color and contrast of the HF S100 has excellent color rendition and great dynamic range.

Size:

At first I thought that the HF S100 was much bigger. Not so, as these photos indicate, it is a tiny bit longer. But otherwise it is about the same size. The new design makes it seem bigger.






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Old 05-03-2009, 07:09 PM   #3  
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I will let you know if the reviews are true. I will be retiring my HF100 if anyone is interested - email me at tniderost at hotmail dot com.

The main attractions to me are:

1. Higher bit rate (24Mb), but I don't know if I will use it.
2. Manual focus. The HF S100 has a programmable knob near the front left of the camera that can be set to several functions. My choice will be focus!
3. 3 second prior recording. This is a very cool feature. Let's say that you want to catch something on video, but aren't sure when it will happen. You sit waiting to press the record button, but too late. You missed it. Not any more - now you put the camera into 3 second pre-record mode and it records continuously into a circular buffer until you press record, and the recording starts 3 seconds in the past! The bad part is that this feature eats battery life. So one must use it judiciously.
4. Low light level is .3 Lx on this model. Partly because of the 24 fps mode, and partly because of the new sensor and larger lens.
5. In comes in the cool black color.
6. 8 MP stills! I am in the middle of selling my Nikon D300 system. This is the only camera that I want to travel with!
7. Various other enhancements - non the least is the newest imaging processor. I am not interested in the face recognition, but it is kinda cool too.

I will take a week or two to give it my evaluation, but I am welcoming comments from others that haved switch to, or just purchased the HF S100.

-Tom
Congrats on your new camera, how much did that set you back?

This is kind of weird asking, but would you be willing to record around 15mb-20mb of video, and upload it to rapidshare (dot)com, so I could see what type of quality the camera takes unedited. I am looking to get a new camera, but it is harder than anything to find actual video(s) of the camera(s) in action.

You can always find reviews but never can find clips of the camera recording.

Either way, hope you enjoy your camera, and would like to see your review.

-nick
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:36 AM   #4  
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Hi Nick,

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Congrats on your new camera, how much did that set you back?
It cost about $1,000 from Amazon.com.


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This is kind of weird asking, but would you be willing to record around 15mb-20mb of video, and upload it to rapidshare (dot)com, so I could see what type of quality the camera takes unedited.
Which bit-rate do you want? The 17Mb/s or 25Mb/s? You realize that the MTS file that is created at 25Mb/s and is about 20 MB big, will only be about 7 or 8 seconds long? A review that I read said that this camera will make 900 lines, professional broadcast quality video!!

Let me know the bit-rate that you would like and I will send an unedited sample.

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Old 05-04-2009, 02:38 PM   #5  
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Hi Nick,
Which bit-rate do you want? The 17Mb/s or 25Mb/s? You realize that the MTS file that is created at 25Mb/s and is about 20 MB big, will only be about 7 or 8 seconds long?

-Tom

well lets go with the 25Mb/s. Just shoot some outside scenery would be fine. Oh by the way I was a little off Rapidshare(dot)com lets you upload 200mb not 20mb so that will give you a little bit longer to record.

I want to see what the highest quality you can get with the camera.

By the way you like the camera so far?

And Thanks,
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Old 05-04-2009, 04:22 PM   #6  
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By the way you like the camera so far?
I love the camera! At first I was suspicious. But the video quality is much better than I expected. I had to watch videos taken side by side with the HF100 to appreciate what Canon has done in the new image engine!

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well lets go with the 24Mb/s. Just shoot some outside scenery would be fine. Oh by the way I was a little off Rapidshare(dot)com lets you upload 200mb not 20mb so that will give you a little bit longer to record.

I want to see what the highest quality you can get with the camera.
Ask and ye shall receive. On Rapidshare. Each file is around 30MB, and on a high speed connection will take between 7 and 12 minutes to download.

All video in this group is at 24Mb/s. Here are the links to the video:

1. Full wide shot.

2. Medium zoom shot.

3. Ful tele zoom shot.

4. 1.7X lossless extender and full tele zoom shot.

Let me know your opinions of the video. I did this on a break from work, so the subject is what was available in downtown Jacksonville, FL today.

-Tom

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Old 05-05-2009, 07:50 PM   #7  
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That camera takes some pretty good quality and the zoom is really nice. Did you use a special lens attachment or is that just the standard.

Does it have an internal hdd, or just SD card?
If it takes SD card, what is the max file size it supports?
How is the image stablizer on it?

I am really thinking about getting this camera.

Thanks for the videos you posted.
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LOL we can just buy and play with a never ending list of toys
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well lets go with the 25Mb/s. Just shoot some outside scenery would be fine. Oh by the way I was a little off Rapidshare(dot)com lets you upload 200mb not 20mb so that will give you a little bit longer to record.

I want to see what the highest quality you can get with the camera.

By the way you like the camera so far?

And Thanks,
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That camera takes some pretty good quality and the zoom is really nice. Did you use a special lens attachment or is that just the standard.
Everything that I shot for this example is standard on this model. The lossless 1.7x extender is an excellent feature with the camera. This may have a 10x optical lens, but it actually works out to 17x optical with the added electronic extender (not to be confused with digital zoom, which is horrible!)

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Does it have an internal hdd, or just SD card?
If it takes SD card, what is the max file size it supports?
It takes SD and SDHC cards up to 32GB, which is about 4 hours at 17Mb/s or about 3 hours at 24Mb/s.

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How is the image stabilizer on it?
The image stabilizer is ok. Not bad, not great. It works, but with HD every motion is much more noticeable than SD.

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I am really thinking about getting this camera.

Thanks for the videos you posted.
Not a problem. I think that it has the best video quality in the pro-sumer market, at least better than any camcorder in it's price range!

-Tom
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Tom,

Thanks for the info on this camera. i have my first baby on the way and had narrowed my search down to this camera. just a couple questions:
1. What sdhc card do you use? Does class 4 or class 6 make that much of a difference?
2. What software are you using to edit?

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TomInJax, last question for you (I think ), how good of a record does it take in low light condition, meaning if you where to record a sunset, would it capture the color(s) good enough to notice, or would it not turn out right. Or maybe record a solar/lunar eclipse (I know there are special lens to use when recording stuff as in the sun/moon).

I know you only had the camera for a few days with it, just wondering by your experience with the camera. I wish you could just try them before you buy,that way I would be able to see first hand.

Thanks again for all your info and help, especially the video clips it helps out to really show how good the camera is and the quality it takes.

-nick
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1. What sdhc card do you use? Does class 4 or class 6 make that much of a difference?
I only have class 6 cards. The video samples were taken on an AData, 16 GB class 6 SDHC card.

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The samples were unedited, of course. But I use Avid's Pinnacle Studio Ultimate 12.1. I had lots of problems with Studio, until I discovered how to use it for HD editing with a less than quad core machine. Now I use Nero Vision to convert the video to mpeg2, highest quality, before creating my project. The MTS files are too much for my dual core machine.
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... how good of a record does it take in low light condition, meaning if you where to record a sunset, would it capture the color(s) good enough to notice, or would it not turn out right. Or maybe record a solar/lunar eclipse (I know there are special lens to use when recording stuff as in the sun/moon).
Nick,

The camera does well with low-light recording - at least with recording color accuracy. As to a sunset or eclipse, you have exposure compensation that you can use to make sure it doesn't try to over-lighten the scene, and manual white balance to keep the sunset colors natural. The only thing that I have noticed with low-light recording is the grain gets much more intense. This is common with most consumer camcorders. I haven't seen one yet that didn't look like there was sand in the air when recording extremely low light.

If I get a chance in the next few days, I will try to capture a short clip of a sunset and low light recording.

-Tom
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Since there's so much confusion over the HF200 low light performance, I'm almost considering paying a little extra and get the HFS100. I know the S100 will be a lot better but I still wonder if the price difference is worth it.

Mind, I'm not a video amateur who likes to make shortmovies etc, I just use my camera for family videos (which tend to be inside as much as outside)
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