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Old 01-11-2008, 02:34 PM   #1  
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Hello All,

In your opinion what would be the best movie to look at to help calibrate your HDTV. I just bought a plasma tv, and am waiting for the calibration DVD to get here. but I wanted to do somehting while I wait. What movie do you htink you would use to get the best picture.

I was thinking Hero with Jet Li b/c of all the colors the vivid colors is used in the movie.
I was also thinking about Transformers, Gladiator, 300 (for the reds and darks) and the beach scenes of Saving Private Ryan for the sound.

What would you use, or what have you scene recently that has pretty good imagery and use of color in it.

By the way, I just have a regular DVD player, so blueray or HD DVD is out of the question.
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Old 01-11-2008, 02:40 PM   #2  
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Hey plahen, welcome to HDF,

Girls Next Store Season 3 is very "colourful". No I'm kidding of course, ha ha.

I'd try "Charlie and the Chocolate Factory" - 2005 version, it has amazing colour, as does "What Dreams May Come", although I'm not a big fan of the later film.

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Old 01-11-2008, 02:44 PM   #3  
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I might check out Choc Factory. II am waiting for my DVE HD disc to come, but wont be here for another week. I would also like to watch the movie after its all said and done.

Naythign else enjoyable. Maybe some action flix???
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I like "The Bourne Ultimatum", or any from that series personally.

Also think the Lethal Weapon series is cool, Star Wars, (obviously) LoTR series, Harry Potter, Tomb Raider 1 or 2, Hellboy, Underworld 1 or 2...jeez there's so many. I don't know, it's pretty much an individual thing really.

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Van Helsing . . .

The first act of the movie is in black and white. If your HDTV can't do B & W properly - it can't do color either.
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Good point. Then perhaps "Sin City" or "Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow" would be good choice's as well.

Another awesome title is the old Fritz Lang "Metropolis". It is a silent film in B&W, cause it's 1927 ! It is enjoyable to watch none the less, it's funny to see what they thought was possible "in the future" back then.

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Old 01-12-2008, 07:45 AM   #7  
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Hello All,

In your opinion what would be the best movie to look at to help calibrate your HDTV. I just bought a plasma tv, and am waiting for the calibration DVD to get here. but I wanted to do somehting while I wait. What movie do you htink you would use to get the best picture.

I was thinking Hero with Jet Li b/c of all the colors the vivid colors is used in the movie.
I was also thinking about Transformers, Gladiator, 300 (for the reds and darks) and the beach scenes of Saving Private Ryan for the sound.

What would you use, or what have you scene recently that has pretty good imagery and use of color in it.

By the way, I just have a regular DVD player, so blueray or HD DVD is out of the question.
Use a THX optimizer on some DVD's or the HDNet test pattern, either of which would be better than any DVD. If you must use a DVD, don't, just wait for the calibration disc to arrive.

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I whole heartedly agree with Chris above. If you're looking for any type of calibration, wait till the disk arrives. If you're just looking for what look goods to you, return the disk and play with the settings. I did that originally, thought I had it looking great, bought the Avia II disk, and WOW.... the things I was missing. My screen looks amazing now.
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Ditto to the two previous posts!

Movies may be great to demo a set but are really quite useless for calibration.

Play with the settings if you like, but wait until the disc arrives to calibrate.
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Just make sure that if/when you use the disc to calibrate that you give yourself a few days to adjust to the new settings. They might look a little dull or washed out compared to the previous settings. After a few days though you will notice that the colors and tones look much more lifelike (if you calibrated correctly).

At first I didn't like my new settings, then I got used to it. Now I will switch back to the settings closer to torch mode and it actually just hurts my eyes looking at it.

Either way, enjoy it when you get it where you want!
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You can't use a DVD to set the color values on an HDTV. You must use an HD source to do this because th color gamuts are not the same between NTSC and HDTV.
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You can't use a DVD to set the color values on an HDTV. You must use an HD source to do this because th color gamuts are not the same between NTSC and HDTV.
mmmm . . . gotta disagree . . . that's what decoders are for.

If it were true, then it would suggest that "you can't play standard DVDs on your new HDTV" for the same reason.
The basic test that this does not pass is the common sense test.

And: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/n...module_3_4.jsp
And: http://www.plasmadisplaycoalition.org/results/color.php

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mmmm . . . gotta disagree . . . that's what decoders are for.

If it were true, then it would suggest that "you can't play standard DVDs on your new HDTV" for the same reason.
The basic test that this does not pass is the common sense test.

And: http://product.samsung.com/cgi-bin/n...module_3_4.jsp
And: http://www.plasmadisplaycoalition.org/results/color.php
Not sure what you disagree about here. Your reference had to do with the gamut for display types as opposed to the delivery system of HDTV vs SDTV. It is generally held that the ATSC system has a wider gamut than the NTSC system in practice. If it is enough more to effect calibration could be argued.

More important than the gamut though is that many HDTVs these days have individual settings for each input, so using a DVD may not allow for all inputs to be calibrated. On thse HDTVs it would be required to move the DVD from input to input to calibrate each input individually. Then there is the matter of the internal ATSC tuner which requires a signal generator that will output a RF ATSC signal to calibrate that input, like the Sencore VP400 series.
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Not sure what you disagree about here.
With the statement that "You can't use a DVD to set the color values on an HDTV."
Obviously, the implications of that statement are that anyone and everyone who has ever purchase the DVE or Avia disc and used them to calibrate their sets have been doing something that can't be done . . . or they have been duped.
I disagree with the statement.

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Your reference had to do with the gamut for display types as opposed to the delivery system of HDTV vs SDTV. It is generally held that the ATSC system has a wider gamut than the NTSC system in practice. If it is enough more to effect calibration could be argued.
Agreed.
If it is enough to effect calibration, then the folks at DVE and Avia have really been ripping the consumer and we ought to explore it more.

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More important than the gamut though is that many HDTVs these days have individual settings for each input, so using a DVD may not allow for all inputs to be calibrated. On thse HDTVs it would be required to move the DVD from input to input to calibrate each input individually.
Yes, I agree completely, and have consistently advised and reminded others of this fact.
Indeed, I have always calibrated all ports that were to be used; in my personal case on one particular set; composite, S-video, Component-1, Component-2 and HDMI by, as you say, moving the DVD from input to input to calibrate each individually.

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Then there is the matter of the internal ATSC tuner which requires a signal generator that will output a RF ATSC signal to calibrate that input, like the Sencore VP400 series.
Excellent point and I certainly agree.

It could also be pointed out that the same condition exists with respect to a STB, only worse, since it is generally not possible to feed a signal generator into a STB, but only to calibrate the TV port that will be used and hope that the STB is doing a decent job between the cable input and Component or HDMI output.

These factors along with variations in content itself do seem to take some of the "elegant precision" away from calibration that some would hope to achieve.
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With the statement that "You can't use a DVD to set the color values on an HDTV."
Obviously, the implications of that statement are that anyone and everyone who has ever purchase the DVE or Avia disc and used them to calibrate their sets have been doing something that can't be done . . . or they have been duped.
I disagree with the statement.


Agreed.
If it is enough to effect calibration, then the folks at DVE and Avia have really been ripping the consumer and we ought to explore it more.


Yes, I agree completely, and have consistently advised and reminded others of this fact.
Indeed, I have always calibrated all ports that were to be used; in my personal case on one particular set; composite, S-video, Component-1, Component-2 and HDMI by, as you say, moving the DVD from input to input to calibrate each individually.


Excellent point and I certainly agree.

It could also be pointed out that the same condition exists with respect to a STB, only worse, since it is generally not possible to feed a signal generator into a STB, but only to calibrate the TV port that will be used and hope that the STB is doing a decent job between the cable input and Component or HDMI output.

These factors along with variations in content itself do seem to take some of the "elegant precision" away from calibration that some would hope to achieve.

The DVE Disc I have for my HDTV IS a HD DVD. It is available for both SDTV (DVE 2003) and HDTV (DVE 2007) AFAIK. Just different disc's is all. One has to be careful not to purchase the wrong one for their display.

...of course the HD DVE won't do you any good if you don't have a HD DVD player to go with the HDTV, ha ha !


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