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Old 01-07-2008, 11:15 PM   #1  
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It was just the greatest thing in the world when Dreamworks ect. made the switch to hd dvd. Now that Warner swapped you think its unethical somehow and Sony paid way to much. BTW concrete evidence of that does not exist yet on what was paid if any. I'm sure you all have reasons for feeling that way but tha fact remains the only people who know what happened and why are Warner execs.
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Old 01-07-2008, 11:19 PM   #2  
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Ya I know what you are saying. But the Viacom deal was just a small victory in the high def war for us. All HD DVD got was Transformers and Shrek for a few months. The Warner deal is a nail in the coffin and it hurts us a lot. If warner would have gone red, there would be a lot of Blu bitchen.
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Old 01-07-2008, 11:24 PM   #3  
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Ya I know what you are saying. But the Viacom deal was just a small victory in the high def war for us. All HD DVD got was Transformers and Shrek for a few months. The Warner deal is a nail in the coffin and it hurts us a lot. If warner would have gone red, there would be a lot of Blu bitchen.
Fair enough, I do think the market place is deciding this war though. Disk sales for Blu-Ray are high and it's not only kids who are buying PS3's. The ps3 might be winning this war but it's the best Blu-Ray player out there that happens to do a lot more.
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It was just the greatest thing in the world when Dreamworks ect. made the switch to hd dvd. Now that Warner swapped you think its unethical somehow and Sony paid way to much. BTW concrete evidence of that does not exist yet on what was paid if any. I'm sure you all have reasons for feeling that way but tha fact remains the only people who know what happened and why are Warner execs.
I don't think it is unethical at all. "It's not personal, it is just buisness." Just another mob war turn of events...
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Old 01-08-2008, 12:47 AM   #5  
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The fact that Sony put a blu-ray player in their ps3 was ridiculously smart and I knew right away that would be the guaranteed win because of this reaon alone...let's not forget a huge reason DVD took off was solely because of the ps2...when you sell millions of systems it almost guarantees a huge percentage of people are going to use almost all it's features and even if it is only 10%...that's still alot of players being used for blu-ray but the decision was based on disc sales alone and that's smart business. I said it before and I'll say it again companies do not care about SAL sales they care about disc sales and money talks and blu-ray has outsold HDDVD by a large margin time and time again. If Warner chose HDDVD it would not make sense from a business stand point....They want to make money not choose what they think is their favorite Hardware, they don't benefit from those sales... I love both formats but blu-ray has always impressed me an HDDVD has too, but I personally think Warner has mad the smart decision...
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:05 AM   #6  
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Sony putting Blu-Ray into PS3 was a genius move as far as BD was concerned. But due to the facts that so little games came out for it and it was not back compatible with PS2 hurt it as a game machine. That probably was the reason why XBOX 360 and Wii was able to beat PS3 as a game machine. So I say it was a sacrifice for Sony that now appears to have paid off.
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Sony lost in the gaming sector but seems to be winning in the Hi Def format sector. This was the plan from the start. Use gamers to drive Blu-Ray.
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...let's not forget a huge reason DVD took off was solely because of the ps2...
I just love revisionists! PS...how can it be one of the reasons and solely at the same time?
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Old 01-08-2008, 08:29 AM   #9  
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I just love revisionists! PS...how can it be one of the reasons and solely at the same time?
I have always thought that was a BS line about DVD succeeding becasue of the PS2. It was the other way around. I know a lot of people that wanted DVD, it was going to succeed, and wanted the PS2, they used the fact the PS2 could play DVD's to justify the cost. You know what happened, they bought the PS2, then bought a DVD player and never used the PS2 for DVD's. That is my experience from my sphere of influence, but I knew no one that used the PS2 for a DVD player.
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Old 01-08-2008, 10:09 AM   #10  
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I have always thought that was a BS line about DVD succeeding becasue of the PS2. It was the other way around. I know a lot of people that wanted DVD, it was going to succeed, and wanted the PS2, they used the fact the PS2 could play DVD's to justify the cost. You know what happened, they bought the PS2, then bought a DVD player and never used the PS2 for DVD's. That is my experience from my sphere of influence, but I knew no one that used the PS2 for a DVD player.
Actually I've known a few people who used the ps2 as a dvd player and gaming machine, but later found out that it was more economical to get a separate dvd player simply because they were using the dvd laser a lot more, so their ps2's would break down due to constant use!

I only use my xbox360 for games and don't use the drive for standard dvds
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Old 01-08-2008, 11:47 AM   #11  
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Fair enough, I do think the market place is deciding this war though. Disk sales for Blu-Ray are high and it's not only kids who are buying PS3's. The ps3 might be winning this war but it's the best Blu-Ray player out there that happens to do a lot more.
No, disc sales for Blu-Ray are awful, they are just better than for HD DVD.

Based on total number of Blu-Ray discs sold and total number of Blu-Ray titles, there are about 10,000 copies of any given BD movie sold on average. A small handful have sold well, but even then it's only in the hundreds of thousands of copies, which is nothing at all compared to DVD.

I supported HD DVD because it's obvious to me the only way Hi-Def discs are going to succeed and become commonplace, with a large selection of titles at reasonable prices is for a Hi-Def format to be adopted by mass consumers. I don't see Blu-Ray accomplishing that due to software issues, relying on a game console for sales and a high-price "niche market" attitude. On the movie side, there's the whole issue of limited disc production and higher production costs.

If HD DVD is down for the count, I sincerely hope the BDA has a change in attitude that will allow Blu-Ray to flourish and not simply be a source of movies for the PS3 gamer demographic. SONY had no intention of Beta, SACD, MemoryStick, UMD, MicroMV, ATRAC, DAT or MiniDisc becoming unsupportable niche formats, the market decided that for them.

While Blu-Ray has good potential, actual disc sales are miserable. If BD disc sales change dramatically as a result of recent events, then there is hope, but until a typical BD disc sells hundreds of thousands or millions of units, the studios are not going to support it after their payoffs and contractual agreements run out. They are simply not going to lose money if they don't have to.
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It was just the greatest thing in the world when Dreamworks ect. made the switch to hd dvd. Now that Warner swapped you think its unethical somehow and Sony paid way to much. BTW concrete evidence of that does not exist yet on what was paid if any. I'm sure you all have reasons for feeling that way but tha fact remains the only people who know what happened and why are Warner execs.

The problem was the BD supporters cried foul of the Paramount decision and SPECULATE there was money invlved. To me if Warner truly did get 500Mil for the switch cudos to them for taking a wad of cash or whatever it may be in I would have to for the right price in their situation. Does it bother me they switched no not really why because I do not have many Warner titles in my collection only 21 titles of 128 HD DVD's. So as you can see my support of Warner wasn't to great so losing them realy doesn't affect me to much.
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The problem was the BD supporters cried foul of the Paramount decision and SPECULATE there was money invlved. To me if Warner truly did get 500Mil for the switch cudos to them for taking a wad of cash or whatever it may be in I would have to for the right price in their situation. Does it bother me they switched no not really why because I do not have many Warner titles in my collection only 21 titles of 128 HD DVD's. So as you can see my support of Warner wasn't to great so losing them realy doesn't affect me to much.
Watch out your spelling and grammar are going to get you in trouble with your fellow hd dvd supporters.
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Old 01-08-2008, 01:53 PM   #14  
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Sony lost in the gaming sector but seems to be winning in the Hi Def format sector. This was the plan from the start. Use gamers to drive Blu-Ray.
Consider me gladly 'used'
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Mini this is not exactly the "Other way around," as Blu-Ray did not have it's viability threatened in the same manner. No, the HD DVD supporters do not like the Warner decision, any more than Blu-Ray supporters liked the Paramount switch to HD DVD. So what? Is this some revelation to you or anyone else for that matter? Does it truly deserve a tread in the HD DVD section?
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