High Def Forum - Your High Definition Community & High Definition Resource

Go Back   High Def Forum - Your High Definition Community & High Definition Resource >
Rules HDTV Forum Gallery LINK TO US! RSS - High Def Forum AddThis Feed Button AddThis Social Bookmark Button Groups

Gaming & Systems A place to discuss video game systems

Analysts agree Blu ray victory will help PS3 outsell Xbox 360

Reply
AddThis Social Bookmark Button
 
Thread Tools
Old 02-21-2008, 07:14 AM   #1  
Vizio 37 LCD
Thread Starter
 

Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,775
Default Analysts agree Blu ray victory will help PS3 outsell Xbox 360

According to analysts, the Blu ray Vs HD DVD battle to become the high definition format of choice has had a knock on effect on console sales. What’s more, now that the war is over, with Blu ray being declared the winner, the PS3 could see a massive increase in sales thanks to Sony’s forward thinking.

You cannot have failed to at least read some of the demise of HD DVD over the past week or so, even if high definition DVDs hold no interest for you. The HD DVD format was already doing badly against Blu ray, and once retailers such as Best Buy and Wal-Mart dropped it, Blu ray had victory almost guaranteed.

Toshiba has now announced that they are dumping the format with production of both hardware and software being discontinued. So where does this leave the console war, which is still raging, and has no sign of an ultimate victor as of yet?

It seems that most analysts agree on the matter: that this will unsurprisingly be good for Sony and the PS3, and bad for Microsoft and the Xbox 360. The Nintendo Wii doesn’t come in to it, as it uses its own optical discs.

Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter told GamesIndustry.biz:

“Longer term, I think it’s a huge boon for Sony, as most retail clerks will be instructed to push Blu ray along with sales of HD monitors at holiday, so we should see a large increase in PS3 sales year-over-year at holiday.”

Screen Digest’s Ed Barton and Richard Cooper, agree:

“With the format war over, and the end of the consumer indecision resulting from it, video consumers are likely to purchase the PS3 as the most cost effective, future proof Blu ray player.”

It’s already well known that some consumers have bought a Playstation 3 purely on the strength of it being a low cost Blu ray player, particularly in Japan. Now, people who have wanted to get on the high definition ladder, but have been unsure which format to choose, can buy a PS3 safe in the knowledge that the technology will be hanging around for a while, at least until Direct Downloads become the present future.

So where does this leave Microsoft, who backed HD DVD with an official Xbox 360 drive? First, expect some price cuts, as every HD DVD player is going to be going to bargain basement levels very soon.

Then, you can fully expect Microsoft to switch sides and release an external Blu-ray drive for the Xbox 360. They may even now take the plunge and launch a new Xbox 360 model with a Blu ray drive fully integrated, putting it on a par with the PS3. I would say it’s all a question of when, not if.

Source
eHDMI is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 07:23 AM   #2  
Lean, mean, drum machine
 
pearl-drum-man's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,143
Default

I think the PS3 was poised to trend upwards anyways, the games selection is getting stronger every month. A lot of people that may have bought 360's are now going to start looking at the PS3. All of my gamer friends/relatives have the 360, we are all now starting to buy the PS3.

In addition, look at the latest sales numbers, the PS3 almost matched the Wii. Interestingly though, there was only ONE PS3 game title in the top 10, at a relatively unimpressive #8. I think this shows a lot of PS3 sales are going for Blu-ray playback. Obviously Sony's long-term strategy is sound, but it was based on them winning the HDM war, which is why they went all out.

It will be interesting to track game sales for the 360 and the PS3 long-term, as this will be a better indicator as to which is stronger in the console war, as the PS3 will likely pass the 360 at some point with the benefit of the Blu-ray movie crowd who never play games.
pearl-drum-man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 08:33 AM   #3  
High Definition is the definition of life.
 

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 61
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by pearl-drum-man View Post
I think the PS3 was poised to trend upwards anyways, the games selection is getting stronger every month. A lot of people that may have bought 360's are now going to start looking at the PS3. All of my gamer friends/relatives have the 360, we are all now starting to buy the PS3.

In addition, look at the latest sales numbers, the PS3 almost matched the Wii. Interestingly though, there was only ONE PS3 game title in the top 10, at a relatively unimpressive #8. I think this shows a lot of PS3 sales are going for Blu-ray playback. Obviously Sony's long-term strategy is sound, but it was based on them winning the HDM war, which is why they went all out.

It will be interesting to track game sales for the 360 and the PS3 long-term, as this will be a better indicator as to which is stronger in the console war, as the PS3 will likely pass the 360 at some point with the benefit of the Blu-ray movie crowd who never play games.
I knew Sony was going for long-term success...obviously they knew they couldn't come out of the gate with huge success based on the PS3 being 1 year "late". However, your comment I highlighted in red: I wonder if, assuming Sony really does have a long-term plan of action - means their PS3 really WILL be future proof for 10 years as they initially stated a couple years ago. I sure hope so!!
steve444 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 09:59 AM   #4  
I'm Fabulous.
 
awol's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 10,401
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve444 View Post
I knew Sony was going for long-term success...obviously they knew they couldn't come out of the gate with huge success based on the PS3 being 1 year "late". However, your comment I highlighted in red: I wonder if, assuming Sony really does have a long-term plan of action - means their PS3 really WILL be future proof for 10 years as they initially stated a couple years ago. I sure hope so!!
I had honestly begun to wonder if they were sacrificing the PS3 for their Blu Ray push. I knew there would be good games, but it was looking like it was (and still might not be) the defacto platform as it has been.
awol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 10:07 AM   #5  
My Projector is High Def.
 

Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Marlborough, MA
Age: 45
Posts: 7,087
Default

The PS3 is the best blu-ray player available right now. How many people will be buying it and not using it for games? That doesn't really help.

And MS has a lot of room to drop the price of the 360 I think.

It will be interesting to see how sales go for both the next few months.
mshulman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 10:17 AM   #6  
High Definition is the definition of life.
 
bboncorr's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve444 View Post
I knew Sony was going for long-term success...obviously they knew they couldn't come out of the gate with huge success based on the PS3 being 1 year "late". However, your comment I highlighted in red: I wonder if, assuming Sony really does have a long-term plan of action - means their PS3 really WILL be future proof for 10 years as they initially stated a couple years ago. I sure hope so!!
sorry steve but neither console is future proof. think about it if the ps3 was as future proof as they hoped it would be then wouldn't it have true HDMI 1.3? if it was so future proof then wouldn't we have the ability to use HD audio formats via bitstream?

don't get me wrong the ps3 will only get better with time via firmware updates but it's not future proof like some of you want to believe. us ps3 owners can hope it is because that would be a dam good return on my investment but that's not happening.

long before 10 years we will be playing a new xbox and maybe a new playstation. sony corp has shown business moves which should scare its playstation fans. with their corporate restructure and all those playstation department people being moved to other areas has shown us that sony isn't thinking ps4 and won't be for a while. that's not good for anyone because we all know what happens when there is no comp between companies, we lose and the sole company wins.

I also plan on starting a gaming company. i'm starting school for that fairly soon and hope less then 10 years from now you guys will be around to kill my games and talk b.s. about little issues. who knows i might ask some of you to become beta testers on whatever console is hot.

i really don't see either system have a 10 year future proof design. the ps3 is already running into issues with with compound overlooked design flaws. maybe flaws isn't a term you guys would look but when a company builds a system like that and certain parts of the hardware limit its potential then how can it be fututre proof for 10 years.

if the system had,

firewire, 3D capable, HD audio, true HDMI 1.3, 2G Memory, double its bottlenecks, and a few other features then a 10 year future proof span would be reasonable but that's not the case.
bboncorr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 10:21 AM   #7  
High Definition is the definition of life.
 
bboncorr's Avatar
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,467
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mshulman View Post
The PS3 is the best blu-ray player available right now. How many people will be buying it and not using it for games? That doesn't really help.

And MS has a lot of room to drop the price of the 360 I think.

It will be interesting to see how sales go for both the next few months.
I don't belive that anymore. since my samsung player has gotten its updates it has become way better then the ps3 as a bluray player. the ps3 is a better value because its a gaming machine but its definetly not the best bluray player anymore. it can't even bitstream HD audio. i would also put a few other bluray players ahead of the ps3 at this point.
bboncorr is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 10:27 AM   #8  
Lean, mean, drum machine
 
pearl-drum-man's Avatar
 

Join Date: May 2007
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,143
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by steve444 View Post
I knew Sony was going for long-term success...obviously they knew they couldn't come out of the gate with huge success based on the PS3 being 1 year "late". However, your comment I highlighted in red: I wonder if, assuming Sony really does have a long-term plan of action - means their PS3 really WILL be future proof for 10 years as they initially stated a couple years ago. I sure hope so!!
Yeah, they've talked a lot about it having a 10 year life cycle. It's possible, but obviously trends and market conditions will ultimately determine if it occurs. I'll say this, they still sell a lot of PS2's and release games for it, and it was underpowered compared to the Xbox and GC, so I don't doubt that Sony can drag the PS3 lifespan out as far as they want to.
pearl-drum-man is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 11:01 AM   #9  
FIFA 10 > PES 2010
 
KEEBS1984's Avatar
 

Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: PORTLAND!!!... OR
Posts: 2,658
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by eHDMI View Post
It seems that most analysts agree on the matter: that this will unsurprisingly be good for Sony and the PS3, and bad for Microsoft and the Xbox 360. The Nintendo Wii doesn’t come in to it, as it uses its own optical discs.
Really? Nintendo invented DVDs huh?

Sorry. . . no they didn't. Toshiba did. The Wii uses DVD as it's disc media. Just like the GameCube used Mini-DVDs. . .

DVD still has some life in it's legs.
KEEBS1984 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 11:04 AM   #10  
High Definition is the definition of life.
 
GLOW's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 12,701
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by KEEBS1984 View Post
Really? Nintendo invented DVDs huh?

Sorry. . . no they didn't. Toshiba did. The Wii uses DVD as it's disc media. Just like the GameCube used Mini-DVDs. . .

DVD still has some life in it's legs.
For how long? I can virtually guarantee you the next Xbox will have a Blu-ray drive. Probably the PS4, too, and I think the Wii will follow suit.
GLOW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 12:23 PM   #11  
Toys in the attic...
 
Noct's Avatar
 

Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 1,288
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by GLOW View Post
For how long? I can virtually guarantee you the next Xbox will have a Blu-ray drive. Probably the PS4, too, and I think the Wii will follow suit.
I sincerely doubt that...

The devs have spoken, they hate BD. They claim this generation of games does not need the space and it has caused them nothing but trouble since it has the slowest read-rate of any optical media on the market.

Maybe a hardware generation or two forward when people have the new "ultra high def" displays they are working on in Japan. At that point we would need the extra space to store texture files that large, but until then I don't see it happening.

There is no need for BD in consoles, it inflates hardware manufacturing costs and makes games more difficult to program, which inflates dev costs.

Don't be fooled into thinking Sony was on some progressive gaming wavelength when they stuffed the BD in there, it was done to get more BD players into houses, not advance gaming...

Besides, even while it might be remotely possible for MS, Nintendo would never do that. If you haven't noticed, they are caterting to a more casual market and lower hardware costs these days. If they were worried about keeping thier hardware state of the art they woudl never have released the Wii, which is pretty much a GameCube with motion sensing controllers.
Noct is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 12:51 PM   #12  
I'm Fabulous.
 
awol's Avatar
 

Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 10,401
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noct View Post
I sincerely doubt that...

The devs have spoken, they hate BD. They claim this generation of games does not need the space and it has caused them nothing but trouble since it has the slowest read-rate of any optical media on the market.
Is it that they hate BD? or is it that they hate the slow read speads of the current BD drive in the PS3? It is currently slower than what's possible with DVD, but it will get better. Just like DVD was slower than CD at the time it first came out. I think it's highly possible MS will go with BD for their next console. Either that or a completely proprietary hi capacity disc format.
awol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 12:52 PM   #13  
High Definition is the definition of life.
 

Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 61
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bboncorr View Post
sorry steve but neither console is future proof. think about it if the ps3 was as future proof as they hoped it would be then wouldn't it have true HDMI 1.3? if it was so future proof then wouldn't we have the ability to use HD audio formats via bitstream?

don't get me wrong the ps3 will only get better with time via firmware updates but it's not future proof like some of you want to believe. us ps3 owners can hope it is because that would be a dam good return on my investment but that's not happening.

long before 10 years we will be playing a new xbox and maybe a new playstation. sony corp has shown business moves which should scare its playstation fans. with their corporate restructure and all those playstation department people being moved to other areas has shown us that sony isn't thinking ps4 and won't be for a while. that's not good for anyone because we all know what happens when there is no comp between companies, we lose and the sole company wins.

I also plan on starting a gaming company. i'm starting school for that fairly soon and hope less then 10 years from now you guys will be around to kill my games and talk b.s. about little issues. who knows i might ask some of you to become beta testers on whatever console is hot.

i really don't see either system have a 10 year future proof design. the ps3 is already running into issues with with compound overlooked design flaws. maybe flaws isn't a term you guys would look but when a company builds a system like that and certain parts of the hardware limit its potential then how can it be fututre proof for 10 years.

if the system had,

firewire, 3D capable, HD audio, true HDMI 1.3, 2G Memory, double its bottlenecks, and a few other features then a 10 year future proof span would be reasonable but that's not the case.

I'm sure you have a reason for contradicting yourself within 3 sentences. I won't go off on you like I do to others. But I'm curious...what's your rational?
It still seems like the PS3 will last a solid 7 years without another console (I hope I'm right). I hope another 10. But I believe Sony will have a huge focus on the PS3 considering it's bringing on more and more blu ray customers.
As you already know, I knew PS3 and blu ray was long term. It just made simple sense. Hense the purchase of me purchasing it. So far I'm right. Only time will tell.
steve444 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 01:05 PM   #14  
Founder of the Alt Right
 
kamspy's Avatar
 

Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 22,427
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Noct View Post
I sincerely doubt that...

The devs have spoken, they hate BD. They claim this generation of games does not need the space and it has caused them nothing but trouble since it has the slowest read-rate of any optical media on the market.
Epic begs to differ
http://kotaku.com/gaming/chocolate-r...ray-289595.php

Naughty Dog too
http://arstechnica.com/journals/thum...tophe-balestra

Insomniac
http://kotaku.com/gaming/blu_ray/ins...isc-199788.php

Ubisoft is loving it for FarCry 2
http://www.slashgear.com/ubisoft-lov...ve-1510280.php

Infinity Ward is a fan
http://play.tm/story/14712

Anything else I can debunk for you today?
kamspy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-21-2008, 01:31 PM   #15  
The Bringer of Balance
 

Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 11,350
Default

I agree with you. No console is future-proof. Don't believe the hype. I expect PS4 to be released in the next 4-5 years. No way sony will make the same mistake of giving M$ and Nin a head start with the next-gen consoles.

Interesting that you want to get into the game biz. What skool u going to? From what I read, many of the well known devs don't prefer schooling. They feel that level designers, modders, makers of total conversions, etc have more experience than what schools provide. A coworker's nephew formerly worked at Bungie. They left them and former their own game company, Wideload games or something. He is a game writer. A good game industry mag you should get is Game Developer. gamasutra.com also has good info on the industry. Good luck

Quote:
Originally Posted by bboncorr View Post
I also plan on starting a gaming company. i'm starting school for that fairly soon and hope less then 10 years from now you guys will be around to kill my games and talk b.s. about little issues. who knows i might ask some of you to become beta testers on whatever console is hot.

i really don't see either system have a 10 year future proof design. the ps3 is already running into issues with with compound overlooked design flaws. maybe flaws isn't a term you guys would look but when a company builds a system like that and certain parts of the hardware limit its potential then how can it be fututre proof for 10 years.

if the system had,

firewire, 3D capable, HD audio, true HDMI 1.3, 2G Memory, double its bottlenecks, and a few other features then a 10 year future proof span would be reasonable but that's not the case.

Last edited by Cygnus; 02-21-2008 at 01:53 PM..
Cygnus is offline   Reply With Quote
Sponsored Links
Go Back   High Def Forum - Your High Definition Community & High Definition Resource >
AddThis Social Bookmark Button
Reply

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


to Analysts agree Blu ray victory will help PS3 outsell Xbox 360
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Thinking of getting an Xbox 360. Now which one? Gaelinic Gaming & Systems 19 01-21-2008 08:20 PM
September: Xbox 360 Tops Hardware and Software Sales Razor05 Gaming & Systems 0 10-19-2007 09:19 AM
Microsoft Planning Xbox 360 Brute Edition Razor05 Gaming & Systems 3 04-01-2007 03:32 PM
xbox 360 might play blu ray PINGMAN Gaming & Systems 0 03-27-2007 04:01 PM
Xbox 360 HD support DallasCTyler Direct-View (tube) TVs 3 11-10-2005 09:14 PM


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 09:57 PM.



Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright ©2004 - 2018, MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands