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Old 12-15-2007, 09:31 PM   #46  
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I'm 38 and own a business with over a hundred employees so please do not condescend.

I own over 100 dell desktops. Wanna know the breakdown rate; less than once a year. I own an Onkyo receiver use it every as my primary audio source how many breakdowns; zero. Matter of fact don't have very much of anything that breaks down much. At least not like every broken product you have.
Not to be condescending, as Im just a little worker bee, but allow me to point out why your comparison is so terribly misguided, no matter what you do for a living:

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The real problem is cramming that many heaters in such a small box.
What does that quote mean to you SHO? That means nothing in your 'infinite experience and success in business' has taught you what it means to cram a powerful computer in a small, poorly ventilated case like you have with your Xbox 360. Thus comparing it to anything other than another game console is to say you dont understand the basic concept of the equipment you operate every day.
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Old 12-15-2007, 09:38 PM   #47  
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Not to be condescending, as Im just a little worker bee, but allow me to point out why your comparison is so terribly misguided, no matter what you do for a living:



What does that quote mean to you SHO? That means nothing in your 'infinite experience and success in business' has taught you what it means to cram a powerful computer in a small, poorly ventilated case like you have with your Xbox 360. Thus comparing it to anything other than another game console is to say you dont understand the basic concept of the equipment you operate every day.
You know I actually liked you but your first respone makes no sense to me.

Your second quote supports my original point. M$ made a mistake. Why is this whole thing becomming an attack against me?

And by the way I did not bring my position or status in life until a comment was made that I was a kid who had no experience in consumer matters. I know what I have to do as a business owner when I make a mistake and that is; MAKE MY CUSTOMER HAPPY WITHIN ALL REASON. Did M$ do this?

Don't turn this into an attack against me. I am sorry for my grammer and spelling, my wife is a high school english teacher so I guess I'll have to speak to her abou that. But is that not beside the point?

My previous point about immediate replacement is what I beleive to be true and valid.

You have to understand that I vist the forums as a way of taking a little break from my work. If my points seem to be ill conceived or off the mark sometimes, give me a break I'm trying to type as fast as I can. My overall point again is valid though. I'm trying to be intelligent here and then someone posts about his 14" internet wang and that is acceptable?

I tried to start a realistic and acheivable discussion about the failure rates of the 360 and what we as a group that intereact sometimes on a daily basis can do about it. But it has turned childless and pointless.

Too many people here hding behind their computers and making statements they would never make in person.

I started this thread so may I request that anyone who wants to continue to contribute offer intelligent and usefull input.

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Old 12-15-2007, 09:59 PM   #48  
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Its not an attack dude, its that you place weight on your company's 100 dells being almost trouble free, when every one is an ugly tower and probably less powerful than the 360 (save maybe your servers). Its much easier to build a cool running computer than it is to build a cool running console!

And yes, your original point is correct...to a point. If you had seen my previous post, you would have seen why they made a mistake....to be the first to market, M$ sacrificed build reliability. How do we know this? Because it is possible to make a powerful console, even as small and poorly ventilated as the 360, but clearly getting it to stand the test of time and heat takes longer in R&D. And when you want to be the first to market, as M$ wanted, you rush your console out, as is, in the hopes it doesnt melt! Ill bet money, if the PS3 has any manufactures defects, it wont be because of overheating. Is it because the PS3 is larger and better ventilated? No, not really. Its because it was most likely better researched to avoid heat issues.

Oh, and dont forget the 360, which we all knew before we bought it, was made from 'off-the-shelf' components...to save time and money. PS3 was probably built better in all regards...simply because it was built from scratch. You can put a Vette engine in a Yugo, but its still going to handle like a Yugo.

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Geez my original point was not about my 100+Dells peform it was about how M$ is treating the problem they created. Which is very poorly.
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And Im just trying to put it into perspective, because you are comparing your 360 reliability to other gear you own. A console design is inherently flawed, so comparing any console to a pc, or any other piece of CE, is unfair. Yes, they rushed it to market, and they are paying for it now (albeit, not enough)
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Old 12-16-2007, 04:40 AM   #51  
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I don't own a 360, although I was considering one, but I was in Gamestop/EB Games today. I overheard a conversation where a customer tried to return a 360 for the RRoD less than 24 hours after buying one. The clerk said they no longer take returns or exchanges for the RRoD as it's "a Microsoft problem" as he put it.

Has anyone else got that from Gamestop? If it's true then that's ridiculous! Then again, my friend has a launch day 360 with no problems but he has one of those Intercoolers hooked up to it and from what I've heard and read is that the 360 issues are caused from overheating.

Maybe I'll just keep waiting for a while. But the PS3 or Wii is looking even better to me now though.
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I don't own a 360, although I was considering one, but I was in Gamestop/EB Games today. I overheard a conversation where a customer tried to return a 360 for the RRoD less than 24 hours after buying one. The clerk said they no longer take returns or exchanges for the RRoD as it's "a Microsoft problem" as he put it.

Has anyone else got that from Gamestop? If it's true then that's ridiculous! Then again, my friend has a launch day 360 with no problems but he has one of those Intercoolers hooked up to it and from what I've heard and read is that the 360 issues are caused from overheating.

Maybe I'll just keep waiting for a while. But the PS3 or Wii is looking even better to me now though.
well here is what is going on, MS and gamstop are in a tissy over extended warranties. gamestop was making a killing and MS told them to stop selling them because the MS warranty now covers 3 years. so now there in a lover quarell over money and warranties.
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Gamestop said they do not offer extended warranties on 360's any longer. They gave me the STRONG push to buy a PS3.
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Gamestop said they do not offer extended warranties on 360's any longer. They gave me the STRONG push to buy a PS3.
This is true, and I hate gamestop, they have one of the most screwed up return policies ever. If you already had a 360 extended warranty (which they pushed hard on me) they will honor it one final time , and that's it.
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Old 12-18-2007, 05:41 PM   #55  
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Finally gave in and purchased a PS3 Sunday. Gaming is my only stress releif and with a dead 360 on its way back top M$ and a Wii that does not interest me I got a PS3 and have been pleasantly surprised. It has a quality feel and is VERY quiet.
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Finally gave in and purchased a PS3 Sunday. Gaming is my only stress releif and with a dead 360 on its way back top M$ and a Wii that does not interest me I got a PS3 and have been pleasantly surprised. It has a quality feel and is VERY quiet.
Welcome to the family. Let us know how you like it. I've enjoyed mine since day one.
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Yea sho, let us know how it stacks up against the 360. If mine RROD's again, I might be doing the same thing. I am really interested in the online expierience on the PS3, and how it stacks up to live. I know from reading it is not as good, but I am wondering if it is decent. Hell, if it is free and works, it would be good enough for me.
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Geez my original point was not about my 100+Dells peform it was about how M$ is treating the problem they created. Which is very poorly.

looks like i'm not the only one who thinks your a azz who has no clue. man i feel bad for your employees who have to deal with a person like you. so what owning 100 dell computers makes you an authority on electronics, well guess what aside from your poor taste in computers which you probably choose becasue of their cheap cost over performance value, meaning my whole HTTR setup most likely cost me more then your 100 pc's., it's funny how you come here spewing all this b.s. and then tell people to respect you like your somebody important. hey if that's your attitude then fine go for it but i'm sure you won't end up on this forum long enough to make any difference with people looking for true help.

he said 100 cheapo dell computers makes him better then anyone posting here. hey you got 100 computers so please post your company website, or did you spend all that cash on dell pc's so your website is not up and running. just please give the company name, please do i promise you will not regret it.
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looks like i'm not the only one who thinks your a azz who has no clue. man i feel bad for your employees who have to deal with a person like you. so what owning 100 dell computers makes you an authority on electronics, well guess what aside from your poor taste in computers which you probably choose becasue of their cheap cost over performance value, meaning my whole HTTR setup most likely cost me more then your 100 pc's., it's funny how you come here spewing all this b.s. and then tell people to respect you like your somebody important. hey if that's your attitude then fine go for it but i'm sure you won't end up on this forum long enough to make any difference with people looking for true help.

he said 100 cheapo dell computers makes him better then anyone posting here. hey you got 100 computers so please post your company website, or did you spend all that cash on dell pc's so your website is not up and running. just please give the company name, please do i promise you will not regret it.
Dude you are a pompus ass. Now I remember why I IM'd you. I never said I was better than anone else and never tried to say I'm special because I own over 100 Dells you idiot. I was just trying to make the point that for over eight years my breakdown rate for the dell (that get repleaced every two years) has been less than one percent.

My whole point was that Microsoft continues to pour out defective units and then acts like they are doing us a favor by extending the warranty three years. Last year the repair timeframe was 7-14 days. It is now 4-6 weeks.

Do you get it now? And by the way I own a collection agency. And I'm sure I'll be speaking to your sorry ass when you can't pay for that really EXPENSIVE home theatre system.
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As far as the PS3 - I LOVE IT. Dead quiet, Console feels well made and Uncharted is GREAT!

Have not dabbled into the online features yet but it does play more audio and video formats than my 360 when using extender.

The only thing I find odd is that the controller is very light and does not feel very well made at all.

Other than that everything is great. Looking forward to getting to RFOM just started yesterday. Motorstorm looks good too.
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