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Old 03-07-2019, 08:59 AM   #1  
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Anyone know why a single Razer Mouse, Microsoft wireless keyboard/trackpad, and XB1 wireless controller would cause so many HID device listings?

Ultimately, I'm trying to figure out why my controller won't work in Dark Souls 3. All buttons work as they should with the exception of the sticks. Part of the suggestions was to remove the HID listings of other peripherals. I can confirm that did not work. So at this point, I'm just trying to figure out why it's doing this?
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I would uninstall every single one of those and reconnect the devices and see what propagates back. I had an issue where my bluetooth earbuds were installing every single time I used them for whatever reason. Uninstalling them all and then doing a driver refresh fixed it.
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I would uninstall every single one of those and reconnect the devices and see what propagates back. I had an issue where my bluetooth earbuds were installing every single time I used them for whatever reason. Uninstalling them all and then doing a driver refresh fixed it.
I did that actually. As soon as I plug it back in, they all pop back in there. About the only thing I didn't try is deleting everything, doing a hard reboot, and then plugging back in.
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Not sure if you ever got your answer, but this is mostly due to the ever growing bloatware of our "gamer" software/hardware.

Standard mouse only needs one HID tag, since it just tracks two general inputs. (laser/trackball sensor and mechanical keys).

Throw in today's hardware and a Mouse now tracks stuff like the two above, plus stuff like custom mouse settings, DPI switches, any voltage regulations (RGB as such).

In all sense our devices are now themselves multiple little devices and each require a direct connection to the PC, thus the world of multiple HID registries.

When you start looking into how mice handle polling and keyboards ghosting, you start to realize how limited our hardware designs still are and the solutions developers come up with. It's why almost everything now conflicts with each other. It's crazy.
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Not sure if you ever got your answer,
Ultimately... no. No matter what I tried, I was never able to get it to work. Even filed a ticket with Bandai. They suggested all the same things I was finding on the web. Pretty much the only thing that would solve it is to buy a corded controller. No thanks.
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Ultimately... no. No matter what I tried, I was never able to get it to work. Even filed a ticket with Bandai. They suggested all the same things I was finding on the web. Pretty much the only thing that would solve it is to buy a corded controller. No thanks.
OMG I didn't even address the question about the controller!

What kind of controller? MSFT kicked out everyone so only real 1:1 solution is a MSFT controller.

If you are using a MSFT controller, make sure (assuming again Steam) you setup the correct controller profile.

Steam has done wonders in overcoming the XInput fiasco. However, it still requires a lot of fine tuning and in some cases if you aren't using a MSFT controller some 3rd party software.

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Older Games that use DirectInput (Legacy) will not work on modern day computers with modern day hardware. You will need legacy software, pain in the ass to find but it's out there.

XInput Games (new defacto standard) should work sans any problem with a MSFT controller. If they don't they aren't using XInput as intended and probably has a mix of DirectInput and XInput, will require some reading as this will most likely be game specific.

Non-MSFT controllers, such as DS3/DS4 don't have native XInput drivers. This is where Steam has tried to cover it, but you'll find a lot of games still have issues especially with triggers and L2/R2 buttons (as they are pressure sensitive, treated as triggers with axis not buttons).

Best solution for this I've come across with little headache is DS4Windows. Install it (brings everything you'll need for XInput related games, different tree and branches for DirectInput games).

http://ds4windows.com/

Install it, set it to clone a MSFT controller, and your PC will see it as a standard MSFT controller. Works wireless (BT) or wired.

Been using it for years. Bonus some games (such as DS3) have mods that will replace the standard button ingame graphics with Playstation ones.

I've had 3 sets of software running just to get my DS4 working with Rumble for SH4. It was fun to setup. Haha.
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OMG I didn't even address the question about the controller!
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I have an XBONE wireless controller that works perfectly with everything else indcluding DS:II. Apparently, the only controller DS:III officially supports is the Steam Controller. Which is stupid since I don't think anyone actually uses the Steam controller. Anyway, the workaround was to have your Xbox controller plugged in and then unplug your mouse and/or keyboard. The game sees your keyboard and mouse as the primary input. I've tried that, and it didn't work. I've tried controller configs in Steam. That didn't work. I've not tried the extra software. Was really trying to avoid doing it if at all possible. And the DS4 one you suggested is only for Dual Shock 4 controllers right?
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I have an XBONE wireless controller that works perfectly with everything else — indcluding DS:II. Apparently, the only controller DS:III officially supports is the Steam Controller. Which is stupid since I don't think anyone actually uses the Steam controller. Anyway, the workaround was to have your Xbox controller plugged in and then unplug your mouse and/or keyboard. The game sees your keyboard and mouse as the primary input. I've tried that, and it didn't work. I've tried controller configs in Steam. That didn't work. I've not tried the extra software. Was really trying to avoid doing it if at all possible. And the DS4 one you suggested is only for Dual Shock 4 controllers right?
Well then, that is a monkey wrench. And now you can understand why a lot of the PC Gaming community hates the XInput switch! Since you really can't do any third part fixes.

I use a DS4 (just use to the Sony controllers). I've run into my share of headaches trying to get it to work flawlessly with modern games. DS4Windows is specifically for Dualshock 3 and 4.

Quick Google brought this up:
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Originally Posted by ShiangS has DARK SOULS™ III Jan 23, 2018 @ 11:49am
ANYBODY STILL HAVING THIS ISSUE? I've found a fix!
Currently using the Nintendo Switch Pro Controller with issue:
Right Stick emulates Mouse
Directional Buttons super sensetive
Fix For Right Stick: While In-game, Press the XBOX equivelant button to Bring up Steams Overlay > Control Configuration and youll see that the RIGHT STICK is mapped to MOUSE. Change it to MOVE and Viola! Make sure you change it both in GAME and MENU!
Fix For Sensitivity: Enter Big Picture>Control Options and only have GENERIC GAMEPAD Support (Or 360 if thats what youre using) : It seems to input multiple times with multiple Inputs selected.
Have fun
This seems very reasonable to me. Some of the issues I had to fix were specifically Steam and mapping based. [EDIT: That part I put in bold, I ran into that specific issue multiple times. DS4Windows has a similar option, that with the Steam option made me run in circles for a day or two until I figured it out.]

If I have time tomorrow I'll reinstall Dark Souls 3 (I've been meaning to anyways) and see if I can recreate the issue using the wife's XBone controller.
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This seems very reasonable to me. Some of the issues I had to fix were specifically Steam and mapping based. [EDIT: That part I put in bold, I ran into that specific issue multiple times. DS4Windows has a similar option, that with the Steam option made me run in circles for a day or two until I figured it out.]

If I have time tomorrow I'll reinstall Dark Souls 3 (I've been meaning to anyways) and see if I can recreate the issue using the wife's XBone controller.
Yeah, I tried all of that. Tried going into and out of big picture mode. Changing the controller profile, etc... So please, if you try it with her controller and can figure it out, I would super appreciate it!!
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Yeah, I tried all of that. Tried going into and out of big picture mode. Changing the controller profile, etc... So please, if you try it with her controller and can figure it out, I would super appreciate it!!
So I got some bad news... I had zero issue.

Fresh install of Dark Souls 3. I plugged in the Xbone Wireless adapter, PC set it up without me touching anything. Launched Dark Souls 3, beside the annoying ass TOS/EULA screen, I had no issue.

Started a new character, got into game, left stick controls movement, right stick controls camera, all buttons work. I didn't do anything so I didn't test rumble.

My wife's controller is also relatively new (or newer I guess.) I wonder if there is a firmware update? I included a screenshot of my HID tab.
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Not sure if it's specifically a controller issue, but it does have updates/firmwares. We bought her controller...last year? When they did the colored versions...

Her controller: [EDIT: Order shows we bought it 12/01/17]
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Googling shows they have done newer firmwares, what they encompass, I can't find that info. To even check the firmware this controller has I'd have to install the Xbox App (which I removed, bloatware!) so I can't help there.

You'll also need the Xbox App to update/check the firmware, so you have that route to test.

Update info:
https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-...ler-windows-10
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So I got some bad news... I had zero issue.
Ugh... Gross.

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Not sure if it's specifically a controller issue, but it does have updates/firmwares. We bought her controller...last year? When they did the colored versions...

You'll also need the Xbox App to update/check the firmware, so you have that route to test.

Update info:
https://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-...ler-windows-10
I have this one.

I think I tried updating the firmware, but I can't remember for sure. I might try plugging in my old 360 controller and see if it works. Just for kicks. The attack button started becoming unresponsive in my play through of DS2, so I picked up that other one as a result.

Thanks for running some tests for me. Hopefully I cant get to the bottom of it. In the meantime... I'm about 3/4's through Dragon Quest XI.
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