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Old 02-20-2018, 06:33 PM   #1
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Default So there was a school shooting in my town today

th grader brought guns (guns??? and explosive) to school today. Ended up with a self inflicted gunshot wound (unknown if accidental or intentional) and no other students hurt. Found out this am as people on the way to work were getting calls from the school that there was "an incident" and all schools were on lockdown. Soon texts got out of what was happening. Several coworkers spent the day outside their kids school waiting to see their child and know they were ok. Several of us were supposed to be going out for some drinks and hanging out that we hadn't done in a while. Instead everybody wanted to rush home and hug their kids.

Jackson Township is one of the seventeen townships of Stark County, Ohio, United States. The 2000 census found 37,744 people in the township, 37,484 of whom lived in the unincorporated portions of the township.

No massacre, apparently narrowly avoided, but community is just numb - this has got to stop.

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Old 02-20-2018, 09:00 PM   #2
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Here is more info.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.d839fc9034fd

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Authorities on Tuesday said a seventh-grade student was rushed to a hospital after he apparently shot himself in an Ohio middle school boys’ bathroom just before 8 a.m. local time.

Jackson Township Sheriff Mark Brink told reporters the boy’s parents have been notified, and that other students at Jackson Memorial Middle School were safe and unharmed in the incident. Officials locked down the middle school and high school outside Massillon, south of Cleveland, and later released the students, according to news alerts on the school’s website.

It remains unclear whether the student’s wounds were intentional or accidental or what injuries he incurred with the gunshot, which came from a .22 long gun, local media reported.

Speaking with reporters Tuesday afternoon, Brink said the student had a “distraction devices” with him. “It is not a bomb, I can tell you that; (it’s) something you could distract people with for whatever reason,” Brink said, dismissing earlier reports that the student possessed a Molotov cocktail. A distraction device could be used to fool or confuse first responders.

Local journalists recorded photos and videos of anxious parents in visible relief after they arrived to greet their children when the lockdown ended. Superintendent Christopher DiLoreto has not yet determined whether the schools will remain closed Wednesday, WKYC reported.

The incident follows last week’s massacre of 17 students and teachers at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla. Threats of copycat incidents in at least three states have put school officials and police on alert.
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this has got to stop.
What would you propose?
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Old 02-21-2018, 11:13 AM   #4
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What would you propose?
I would start by lifting the moratorium placed on the CDC regarding gun violence.Allow experts to assess and study the issue.
Followed by mandatory registration and background checks on all gun sales including private sales.
I understand that banning ar-15 isn't the answer and understand what semi- auto means and the uselessness of much of the knee jerk proposals based on emotion. . A weapon was part of me for a decade.

Looks like this generation of kids coming along are going to challenge and put pressure on do nothing Congress men/ women.
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I would start by lifting the moratorium placed on the CDC regarding gun violence.Allow experts to assess and study the issue.

Followed by mandatory registration and background checks on all gun sales including private sales.


I understand that banning ar-15 isn't the answer and understand what semi- auto means and the uselessness of much of the knee jerk proposals based on emotion. . A weapon was part of me for a decade.

Looks like this generation of kids coming along are going to challenge and put pressure on do nothing Congress men/ women.
This would be your hardest part to get passed. People assoc iate forced gun registration with the brutal totalitarian regimes of the 1900s. The first idea is a must, i can't beleive it hasn't been done yet.
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Old 02-21-2018, 12:26 PM   #6
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Repeal the 2nd Amendment. Owning a gun shouldn't be a "right" in today's society, but rather a privilege, given to those who pass rigorous background checks. Too many whackos out there and the internet is their feeding ground.

Sure the black market will thrive, so impose stiff penalties on those caught with unregistered guns and even stiffer on those who sell them.
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I would start by lifting the moratorium placed on the CDC regarding gun violence.Allow experts to assess and study the issue.
Followed by mandatory registration and background checks on all gun sales including private sales.
I understand that banning ar-15 isn't the answer and understand what semi- auto means and the uselessness of much of the knee jerk proposals based on emotion. . A weapon was part of me for a decade.

Looks like this generation of kids coming along are going to challenge and put pressure on do nothing Congress men/ women.
Well I believe it was you that once said it on this very forum that if someone wants to kill nothing can stop them including an outright ban on the 2nd amendment. They will come up with some makeshift projectile weapon or IED. Yes there are a lot of steps we can take to make massacres more difficult to pull off but at the end of the day you canít stop determined and crazy lone wolfs.
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Well I believe it was you that once said it on this very forum that if someone wants to kill nothing can stop them including an outright ban on the 2nd amendment. They will come up with some makeshift projectile weapon or IED. Yes there are a lot of steps we can take to make massacres more difficult to pull off but at the end of the day you canít stop determined and crazy lone wolfs.
I don't remember saying that (I could be wrong) but true you can't eliminate every scenario but you can take steps tup a dress the problems. Also parents/adults need to be held accountable when kids get their guns.
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Jackson Township is one of the seventeen townships of Stark County, Ohio, United States. The 2000 census found 37,744 people in the township, 37,484 of whom lived in the unincorporated portions of the township.
Funny, the last place I ever lived at back there was off Portage and 241. We all loved it because it was quiet and peaceful. All my friends out there went to Jackson too, of course. Man how the times have changed.
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What would you propose?
As a teacher, hereís what I propose:
1. Metal detectors at one standard entrance. I know itís a pain, but so is the airport.
2. Armed officer(s) that roam the building and check in guests.
3. Police presence. I see cops clocking speeders at 10 am. Rather than sitting around, walk around the school for an hour at random times.
4. Announce that teachers may be armed. I am opposed to armed teachers, but if thereís a thought that this or that person may be armed, then at least this makes people think.

This may not do anything, but at least it may make people think twice. Iíve also heard the argument that itís a school and not a prison, but itís what the world is in this age. I remember hanging out as a kid at the airport in the food court and the arcade and that is not even a thing anymore.

One issue Iím having is when the two ďsidesĒ are using it as a political message. Itís about 17 lives lost and many more changed forever right now and brainstorm what can be done to make this the last time.
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I may be getting old but I feel that a high percentage of these incidents are generated by a child with existing problems and usually from families with both working adults, so they get no home attention nor guidance nor observance for telltale signs a 'problem' in the making. Both parents work many hours to support their lifestyles, so when they do get home all they wanna do is eat, sit for a bit and then crash, so a lot goes unseen.
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I agree, lack of supervision/guidance and the internet can bring a kid to a level where he's capable of anything. Combine that with easy access to guns and you get results like what happened in Florida. Things were a lot different when I grew up. Had a stay at home Mom (which was the norm in those days, at least where I lived), few people locked their house or car doors and as young kids we could wander about a lot more. Now you have kids being exposed to everything because they see it on FB and the internet.
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In a weird way, I think some of this is attributed to the way kids are raised and glorified in a social media post. The typical kid lives on social media. Youíre a loser if you donít have a certain number of likes or followers. Youíre also famous for eating detergent. As far as being raised, most kids are friends with and pretty much tell their parents what to do. They never learned adversity because they all get a trophy. Heck, they rarely fail or discipline kids in school. I think all of that contributes to it as well.
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i agree with cherman, abolish children
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In a weird way, I think some of this is attributed to the way kids are raised and glorified in a social media post. The typical kid lives on social media. You’re a loser if you don’t have a certain number of likes or followers. You’re also famous for eating detergent. As far as being raised, most kids are friends with and pretty much tell their parents what to do. They never learned adversity because they all get a trophy. Heck, they rarely fail or discipline kids in school. I think all of that contributes to it as well.
I'm glad I don't have to raise kids now. Sounds like social media is a real adversary to parenthood.
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