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Old 06-29-2009, 06:25 PM   #1  
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Default why does LED tv look better than plasma's at best buy? please offer me some advice

I am looking to buy a 50 - 55 inch HDTV for around $3000 or under.
I have done the noob research and have discovered that plasma's generally have better PQ than LCD. Arguably or not.

After doing my research I was thinking the Panasonic TC-P54V10 was the plasma for me, but you have to view the TV first (after all, that is the most important thing).

I go to Best Buy and see a TC-P50S1 plasma (they didn’t have a TC-P54V10) next to a Samsung LED LCD 7000 series. In my mind, the LED blew the plasma out of the water. The Panasonic plasma had grey whites and grey blacks. It looked terrible. The LED looked like the whites were bright, the blacks black, and the edges of text seemed super sharp. It looked better than any of the plasma’s on the floor.

Now granted, they didn’t have any of the better plasma models in the store, but after leaving I figured I need to get an LCD TV.

So now I am confused. Were the brightness and contrast on that plasma messed up? Does Best Buy do that to promote LED sales?

Should I buy an LED since that is the picture I enjoy watching or have I just not seen the “good” plasma’s with the proper settings?

I just want a TV that has bright colors, dark blacks, and sharp image. But there seems to be a disconnect between what I see at the store and what I read online. It seems like the picture on LCD tvs are sharper and better than plasmas.

I would be thankful for any guidance you guys can give me. Thanks in advance.
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Old 06-29-2009, 06:40 PM   #2  
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That Samsung is a nice display, but in the ultra bright stores the ultra bright sets tend to look better. The bright stores also generally hide much of the faults people see with LCDs when they are shown in typical home lighting too.

Just an FYI. LED flat panels are still LCDs, and the LED is just the backlight for them instead of florescent backlighting.

One thing that is very clear about these LED backlit LCD displays is that they have the most narrow viewing angles before the PQ drops off. It is stated in nearly every pro review about them while the viewing angles n plasmas are excellent. Affter I bought my first LCD and didn't notice in the bright stores what I noticed as issues with it at home I made sure my next LCD didn't have those issues. Guess what? I didn't see those issues in the store but see them in my home.

This is one of the reasons displays of TVs in bright stores are not the best way to compare them. We have multiple threads about this so check them out before making any decision and then make your own decision.

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Here is one such thread which asks almost the same questions:

http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-pan...buy-today.html


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thank you. i read thru the forums and saw that this was not a new question nor post. Prob should have looked a bit before posting.

The lighting in stores kinda makes it hard to find the best tv for me in my home. I dont have a flat panel and need the one i buy to last me a decade! so... another question answered, however it raises more questions!

thanks for the help.

oh.. how about this question...

If I like to watch TV in rooms that are very dark, does the plasma become even more preferable over the LCD tvs?
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thank you. i read thru the forums and saw that this was not a new question nor post. Prob should have looked a bit before posting.

The lighting in stores kinda makes it hard to find the best tv for me in my home. I dont have a flat panel and need the one i buy to last me a decade! so... another question answered, however it raises more questions!

thanks for the help.

oh.. how about this question...

If I like to watch TV in rooms that are very dark, does the plasma become even more preferable over the LCD tvs?
Definitely yes. I made a sticky about what kind of info to include when asking for help on a display. Check it out because the room lighting is just one aspect to be considered. Here is the thread:

http://www.highdefforum.com/flat-pan...help-here.html
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wow. both those posts are very helpful. i know it can get old answering the same questions again and again on the forums, but people really appreciate it..... I really appreciate it.

thanks again
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Glad we could help!

That is what we do here (help that is), but it can get difficult to reply to the same things sometimes with all the caveats that go with it. Sometimes we leave out some important caveats so it is easier to just refer people to threads that cover the answers when they are easy to find.
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Ask yourself this question what is the price of the 7000 series from Samsung as opposed to the plasma from Panasonic...now pretend you work at Best Buy on a sales commission right. which set are you intentionally going to have look the brightest and the best?...........Thats right, the one the you are going to make the highest $$$$ from.........not too hard to figure
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blackburn,

When you look in ANY store, the LED's usually look better than the PLASMA's. My BestBuy (Manhattan, 23rd&6th Ave.) has a very dark area where you can compare several of the more expensive sets.
But whether you go to Target, to Sears, to BJ's, or to P.C.Richards, you will usually find the LCDs look better.

Notice also the amount of reflection in the plasma screens. Be sure you can live with it?

I compared off angle viewing of three sets recently: a Plasma Samung, a Plasma Panasonic and a Sony LCD. The SONY remained bright at an extreme off angle while both plamas went annoyingly dim, and they were none too bright to begin with.

I'v always found the argument that you must buy it and take it home before you see how great plasma is a little fishy. Sound like a pitch that a used car dealer might make to sell a clunker that you can SEE is a clunker.

Let your eyes be your guide, they aren't lying, and people's EYES are the reason that LCD's outsell plasmas 8 to 1.

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blackburn you seem like a serious consumer this is prehaps the best opportunity to purchase what has been for the past three years running now the "Best flat panel produced The Pioneer Pro Elite as unfortunate as it is that Pioneer has elected to get out of the HDTV display manufacturing business...it has opened a tremendous opportunity for folks like me that never dreamed they would ever have a $5000.00 display in their home but, that is exactly what happened I bought a 111FD Pro Elite, band new not a floor model, not open box, not referb for $2700.00..I had some concerns as far as Pioneer servicing the product but a Pioneer rep assured me that there would be service and parts available for my set 7 years beyond the manufacturing date.....It is absoultly the best picture available period.. and the Kuros are known as the King of HDTV...If I were sinking @ $3000.00 into a HDTV I wouldnt settle for anything less than a Kuro Pro Elite.

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When you look in ANY store, the LED's usually look better than the PLASMA's. My BestBuy (Manhattan, 23rd&6th Ave.) has a very dark area where you can compare several of the more expensive sets.
But whether you go to Target, to Sears, to BJ's, or to P.C.Richards, you will usually find the LCDs look better.

Notice also the amount of reflection in the plasma screens. Be sure you can live with it?

I compared off angle viewing of three sets recently: a Plasma Samung, a Plasma Panasonic and a Sony LCD. The SONY remained bright at an extreme off angle while both plamas went annoyingly dim, and they were none too bright to begin with.

I'v always found the argument that you must buy it and take it home before you see how great plasma is a little fishy. Sound like a pitch that a used car dealer might make to sell a clunker that you can SEE is a clunker.

Let your eyes be your guide, they aren't lying, and people's EYES are the reason that LCD's outsell plasmas 8 to 1.
I can't say what YOU saw with YOUR EYES in regards to these displays for sure, but I would say I find it incredibly hard to believe that you were looking at plasmas instead of LCDs. I have NEVER seen a plasma exhibit what you are saying you saw in off angle viewing but always see this with LCDs. It is actually less noticable with LCDs in the bright stores compared to what I see (and everyone else who has seen my HDTVs) in typical home lighting.

People need to try to compare them in lighting that matches typical home lighting to do an accurate comparison and even better in lighting that matches how THEY will be viewing it in their own home lighting. Stores are generally a poor place to do such comparison from personally experience with BOTH techs in MY home. Unless you have had a same model year display from both types IN YOUR HOME, you cannot understand how much different it can be between them.

As far as LCDs ourselling plasmas by 8 to 1, well if plasma also sold 15"-37" plasmas then i am sure the ratio would be much closer as ONE reason why the ratio is so much apart. Add to that the sales reps not even knowing what they are talking about more times than not in the stores as another. We have threads about how poorly they are trained and some of the amazing falsehoods they tell customers all the time that are ridiculously wrong. It is shocking at times.

I do agree that in the end people should get what they want though, but if they know someone that has both an LCD and a plasma they should check them out in that home before deciding so they know what the PQ difference is side by side in HOME LIGHTING. These displays cost a lot more than the SD tube TVs we all were buying a few years ago, so it makes sense to try to do this first hand IMO.
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I compared off angle viewing of three sets recently: a Plasma Samung, a Plasma Panasonic and a Sony LCD. The SONY remained bright at an extreme off angle while both plamas went annoyingly dim, and they were none too bright to begin with.

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Sorry Zip2play,... but if you are going to post misinformation such as this you need a better understanding of the technologies involved. LCD pixels must twist or close in order to increase or decrease the amount of light they allow through them and onto the display screen the more the pixel twist open the brighter the pixel appears the more they close the darker they become...However,they are never able to completley close off all backlight bleed and thus the blacks appear a bit washed out.. they are also designed for dead ahead viewing so when you alter your viewing angle a bit you are no longer seeing an open or closed pixel but rather one that is a few degrees from open or closed and thus you get the poorer image quality when viewed off axis...
Plasma cells on the other hand light up depending on how much voltage they recieve no voltage and the cell is off or black... When the voltage increased in increments it allow the color of the cell to become brighter and more saturated so off axis view is a complete non conceren with plasma.......no twisting of the cell to allow or disallow light gettting to the screen and you eyes...

Please get your facts right before attempting to steer new members with bogus information........

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Yeah, I thought that was strange. I brought home a Sony LCD and the picture from an angle was just awful (maybe it was just that TV). The Panasonic I chose to replace it, however is perfect when watching at an angle...well, except for my window reflection.
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